31% more Graphics Cards Sold Thanks to Mining
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Solfaur
I'm so pissed that I sold my 1070 when I got my 1080Ti, if I'd have kept it and sold it now I'd have made so much more. On the other hand the MSI Gaming X 1080Ti is significantly more expensive now than what it was at launch here... 😡
fantaskarsef
Only that the miners aren't buying graphics cards, they're buying calculator addons to their rigs 😀
schmidtbag
"Nvidia is doing better in absolute numbers compared to AMD, who for whatever reason cannot keep up with demand as the figures show."
Considering the trends, AMD just simply wasn't expecting this. They typically don't sell as much as Nvidia, so they weren't expecting to suddenly have a higher demand than Nvidia. Meanwhile if AMD attempts to keep up with the stock, they're taking a huge risk on miners who RMA their hardware. Refurbishing thousands of GPUs while having a fresh new batch coming in would be a huge loss that AMD really can't afford to deal with. Meanwhile, the scarcity of their current products increases their value. So for the time being I think it's smart of AMD (for their sake, not so much the customers) to not produce more products.
waltc3
It never hurts to remember that JPR deals in estimates, only. The hard data are kept secret by each IHV. Lumping Intel in there with nVidia and AMD has been something JPR does in its estimates that I have always questioned--the inclusion of Intel--who makes only bargain-basement integrated GPUs--nothing that is really competitive with GPUs from AMD & nVidia--AMD's integrated GPUs are quite a bit better/faster than Intel's--especially where supporting 3d APIs are concerned--and I 've forgotten how they deal with APU sales--if they even include them in their estimates. But I think if mining becomes a significant chunk of their revenue *again* they'll introduce mining-specific cards with no output-to-screen capabilities as I read they had done already--and at correspondingly lower prices. It remains to be seen, however, whether miners will actually desire such products if their aim is to sell them on Ebay at a later date to recoup some of their money, I suppose.
Imo, demand for discrete GPUs is ratcheting upwards because the x86 desktop marketplace is growing at a substantial rate, imo. Of course, we have some excitement in the 86 CPU space again, thanks to AMD--that's also pushing things along. What's falling are sales of OEM pre-built x86 desktops--but self-assembled x86 desktop boxes are increasing at a rapid clip, and when I last checked JPR was not doing estimates of self-assembled at all, which leads to a somewhat skewed picture of overall x86 desktop quarterly demand. (Amazon, for instance, does a huge business in x86 desktop components from motherboards up--among several other such companies.) It's not just individuals who self-assemble desktops, either--there are tens of thousands of Mon&Pop "Computer Centers" spanning the globe that self-assemble every x86 desktop PC they sell. Seems like the people who do these estimates don't really have enough info to get it right--but I've had that opinion for many years.
D3M1G0D
Not surprised by the numbers. Despite all the talk about AMD cards and mining, they are in a tricky situation here. They've been down this road before during the Bitcoin boom and it ended very badly - once ASICs came about the second-hand market was flooded with cheap AMD graphics cards and they could no longer sell any cards, forcing them to take a massive write-down on unsold inventory. They seem to be playing it safer this time around, although that means miners will turn to Nvidia to supply cards, and gamers will be left without gaming cards.
So they either go with a cautious approach (like now) and lose out on sales, or they become aggressive (like before) and face the possibility of another write-down. Tough choices.
XP-200
So what kind of state do you think these cards used for mining will be in once they appear on ebay, would they be worth a pop or have they basically had the gut's run out of them.
0blivious
I'm not sure how AMD can be shocked at demand when they made the hardware specifically capable of mining.
Hopefully that crap will be on a lull again next time I get a new GPU. They're expensive enough already without a 2nd market driving up prices too.
__hollywood|meo
theres no way to tell, xp200. the problem is that its a crapshoot as to which owners downvolted significantly, had proper racks/cooling, how long the cards crunched, etc etc. up to you to discern whether its worth the risk of so many unknown variables.
youre absolutely correct on all counts, but your formatting hurts my head xD
Yoongbo
Can someone please explain this chart to me:
https://www.techpowerup.com/img/QA51CBVTMTgYuhbj.jpg
Hasn't Nvidia's market share always been at least twice as big as AMD's ????
Ryu5uzaku
No it hasn't. ATI was bigger at one point. And they have been close to each other for a long time except for few past years.
Yoongbo
What ? Then what are thess charts ?
2011
http://images.bit-tech.net/news_images/2011/05/amd-graphics-cards-gain-market-share-from-n/capture-614x250.jpg
2012;2013
https://www.tekrevue.com/nvidia-takes-62-of-discrete-gpu-market-share-in-q2-2013/
2014
http:// http://jonpeddie.com/images/uploads/news/aibchart.JPG
http://jonpeddie.com/images/uploads/news/Capture4(1).JPG
Those are just some examples. But the chart in my original post shows that AMD had always been even in the lead until 2014. What am I missing ??
icedman
And this is why I can't afford to upgrade from my gtx 980 my 4k panel is crying
Agent-A01
Those sales include CPUs with integrated graphics.
Since NV does not sell CPUs with integrated they are at a disadvantage on this graph.
Discreet card sales, nvidia has outsold AMD by 2/3 to 1 for a long time now.
schmidtbag
Actually, they do, and they sell pretty well. That's what their Tegra series is. Pretty much any gaming-centric tablet, some cars, the Nintendo Switch, development boards, many Chromebooks, and any decent Android gaming console are based on Tegra.
Yoongbo
Ah yeah, that explains it. Thank you. Even with intel in those charts, I forgot that igpu's exist..lol.
Agent-A01
Tegra is really a mobile product.
Great sales in tablets and what not but..
It's not in the desktop market or laptop/notebook market either.
Closest it comes to in PC market is a Chromebook and those don't really sell that much.
Don't think that would be included into that chart.
I should have been specific though, NV does not have any x86 products.
Brasky
more people buying AMD cards and dedicated graphics cards are good for competition which in turn leads to a better product down the road. Even if this financially means you have to wait a year to upgrade, when you are able too you'll be getting a better product for your $.
Noisiv
JPR deals with GPU in PCs.
They give 2 classes of reports. One dealing with AIB(add in board, aka dGPU; AMD and NV) and other dealing with GPU(both dGPU and integrated;AMD, Intel and NV). And they are accurate as fu*k!
These reports do not include GPUs used in cars, consoles, tablets and such.
schmidtbag
I get your point, but it wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia sells more Tegras than AMD sells APUs. Also just to nitpick, some people use the Jetson boards as desktop PCs, but that is a very small niche.
I'm not sure whether or not this chart includes Tegras. If it doesn't, that also makes me question if Teslas are included. Those tend to be sold in groups of hundreds or thousands at a time, and I recall hearing how a Canadian organization recently built a new supercomputer with Nvidia products (I think Teslas). That ought to give Nvidia a noticeable bump in sales, if it is accounted for.
Agent-A01
Why would Teslas be included?
Seems to be more based on consumer market than anything.
It doesn't say so can't really know for sure either way.
