Can't help but remember all the red team's fanboys crying out for Spectre and Meltdown and how AMD's CPUs are totally secure etc.

Ouch!

Can't help but think this is becoming a hunt... Intel and AMD sponsoring these sudden exploit finds. Suddenly a lot of exploits come to surface. Also to be on topic, should they have warned AMD of these exploits before going public ?

fantaskarsef:

Can't help but remember all the red team's fanboys crying out for Spectre and Meltdown and how AMD's CPUs are totally secure etc.

It's 2018 and it's software/hardware. There will never be a time that there are no vulnerabilities. That being said, a vulnerability that lasts 10+ years is pretty sad.

Spider4423:

Also to be on topic, should they have warned AMD of these exploits before going public ?

^ This. If they didn't, and i don't know if they did or didn't, then the real people allowing vulnerabilities to be exploited are the people who make this information public knowledge. I'm not saying the public should never know about this, obviously they should, but considering the fact there's nothing for the public to do in these issues, either intel or AMD, then the information should be announced after they have been fixed, unless there is something that can be done for temporary reasons to halt the exploit on the user end.

Aura89:

It's 2018 and it's software/hardware. There will never be a time that there are no vulnerabilities. That being said, a vulnerability that lasts 10+ years is pretty sad.

That being said, a vulnerability that takes 10+ years to detect / exploit is not as sad as one discovered in a relatively new architecture, no? 😉

fantaskarsef:

That being said, a vulnerability that takes 10+ years to detect / exploit is not as sad as one discovered in a relatively new architecture, no? 😉

Depends on how long they were being used. No one realistically can say for certain that any issue were not being abused before it was "discovered". Though again, 10+ years means the whole CPU has not been overhauled in 10+ years, which is simply sad.

Doesn't it seem really strange that this was announced on the 1 year anniversary of Ryzen and just happens to have a splashy website name and advertisement style videos? The flaws are probably legit but someone is out for publicity on this one.

Check calendar......Hmmm... Not April 1st..... Oh feck! Can someone, anyone, please make a secure processor? Is it even possible?

Being an Intel fanboy, I will now demonstrate how a mature person steps up instead of screaming insults: Components/hardware/software have vulnerabilities. They all do; those that are known, those that are unknown, it is just the way it is. All we need is the companies to step up and do what they can to mitigate and accountability for those responsible if they covered it up thus endangering end users. AMD has some really great products right now at competitive prices and this shouldn't be seen as a deterrent.

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We really need a lot more information...they "supposedly" gave AMD notice but only 24 hours before this "news" was published...when standard practice is 90 days. Just saying.

Let set a few things straight about this as I'm no fan of AMD CPUs. Haven't had one in years but I find this a bit suspect. This is a no-name startup that simply pops out of nowhere. They have professional PR representation, videos, ads, and a dedicated info weblink that's hyperbol towards AMD? And no one caught this? https://amdflaws.com/. <---LOL ok it must be legit From what I've read this rogue group gave AMD less than 24 hours to look at the vulnerabilities and respond before this was published for all to see in it's glory. From watching videos about journalism the standard vulnerability disclosure calls for 90 days notice, so companies have time to address flaws and respond about it. This in of itself makes the claims shady and unethical even if what they claim is remotely true. This is a huge conflict of interest how and when this is presented. But what I also found interesting is the fact that this comes from the same area in Israel where Intel has facilities for their core design teams and manufacturing plants Nah, that must be just a coinkydink right? Or perhaps made to look like a coinkydink. I find this report regardless if true or not true to be incredibly disingenuous. And won't be surprised if the bread crumbs lead back to a conspirator causing drama. I am not fully convinced this is from Intel either. As it's way to obvious. That's also a red flag.

The timing of this whitepaper, website release and even press-releases on pro PR agencies like BusinessWire are just so suspicious. It feels like it was deliberately released as a payload, to create damage. This research is extensive - it likely has been funded in full, as the scope of it goes very deep, months if not an entire year of work maybe even? Yesterday AMD had their one year Ryzen anniversary, they're about to launch Zen+ as well. So who benefits from all this the most? It's pure speculation, but didn't Intel have activities in Israel as well? Yep, they invested $15 billion in a plant, and let me quote the Intel CEO: “We think of ourselves as an Israeli company as much as a US company,” Krzanich said at a Jerusalem press conference" It's not an accusation, but come on, it is suspicious. Also, CTS was founded as a privately held company in... 2017. Regardless of that remark, if the vulnerabilities are for real they, of course, should be out in the open. But only after AMD would have had enough time for this.

This is shady af, and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. The white paper ends saying all of these "vulnerabilities" require admin level privleges. Seems like a complete smear job to me.

The researchers gave AMD less than 24 hours to look at the vulnerabilities and respond before publishing this report.

Does that sound like a ransom blackmail? What is the point to give 24 hours?

I hope this is not to hard to fix if its true

Is that you Intel? Lol. I'm using my I5 fearlessly,, but keeping a backup.;)

Less than 24 hours from letting AMD know till sending it out = malicious intent.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

but didn't Intel have activities in Israel as well? Yep, they invested $15 billion in a plant,

Both AMD and Intel are US companies, surely thats evidence that they are one and the same and secretly working together? Please, countries are big places. If this was a US company, you would certainly not try to make this alleged connection, despite Intel being in the US? And for all that "only 24 hours" BS, the typical 90 day guideline really only applies to releasing technical information on the exploits, so that companies have time to fix it before it goes public. This did not happen here, no technical information has been made public.