10nm Alder Lake CPUs from Intel will be available for PC and laptops in the second half of 2021
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cucaulay malkin
duuno about AL,big+little w. better igpu seemed like a forced necessity,but now that apple is doing exactly the same and claiming revolutionary performance, we'll see.
they need some answer to amd ccd design
AlmondMan
Interesting. Looking forward to seeing this, and the effect on my Intel shares 😛
Kaarme
It's quite interesting how high GHz mobile CPUs are hitting these days. The laptops themselves have only got thinner and lighter, generally speaking, so it's not like the cooling capacity would have been boosted massively over the years. As far as the more reasonable mainstream desktop CPUs go, mobile CPUs don't look any worse anymore. Like my Ryzen 3700X was quickly overtaken by mobile CPUs. I suppose it makes sense considering how huge and thus important the mobile PC market is.
SmootyPoody
Thin and light is still thin and light. For those they use 15-35W CPUs.. They may share the same name as the power hungry versions, but they dont deliver the same performance (AMD 4800U vs 4800H sounds similar, but are very different). Workstation laptops are still thick and can only run 1-2 hours on battery for this reason they need cooling, just like your desktop PC. A LG Gram cannot compete with a real workstation. Sure its thin. But its only thin and light because they have a low power CPU and thus does not generate as much heat, and thus dont need a large radiator. The laws of physics cannot be broken. of cause you dont need a workstation if you only browse, spreadsheet, spotify, code etc.. But for rendering 3D, simulate physics models etc you gonna need the beefy ones.
Kaarme
I'd assume folks would use Threadrippers for those uses. Aren't the beefier laptops meant for gamers? If you travel a lot/longer times, but still want to be a gamer, a gaming laptop is pretty much the only choice. I still don't really see why anyone would replace a gaming desktop back home with a gaming laptop if they never need to take their gaming on the road. I struggle to come up with lots of scenarios where people would absolutely need to crunch numbers on a laptop for professional reasons. They could use any decent laptop, and have the heavy work done on their company's servers instead. I'm sure there are some valid cases, though.
JamesSneed
It will be great on devices that run on battery like a laptop. It will get smoked by AMD at the desktop level and above. Its what you do when you are behind on the process.
alanm
So would this support DDR5? On spec list says NA for memory type.
tunejunky
me too but i'm not expecting much.
i've slowly been selling off until i only have 25% of my former Intel stock
Trihy
So 3 months after rocket lake, they will release a 10nm desktop cpu? No, they won't. At least until next year.
tunejunky
there are many uses for a gaming laptop professionally, especially biotech, oil, pharma, and aerospace
added up that's more than the GDP of the majority of nations on average.
SmootyPoody
I dont have any specific numbers, but for professionel work like engineers its mostly laptops they use, or they have a server they can do the simulations on. I dont know anybody that does them on a thin and light. So its either workstation grade laptops or, as said, servers. Something like a Lenovo Thinkpad P53 etc.
Kaarme
Yeah, I haven't really seen that stuff, so I'll just take your word for it. The laptops I see more are the thinner, lighter ones, but the users don't really do anything heavy with them, so they appreciate the battery life and portability. I guess for an engineer doing a particular task it doesn't matter, in the end, what kind of PC it is as long as it gets the work done.
H83
This issue is also seems strange to me. Release two gens of CPUs so close to each other?...
Trihy
If 10nm were so close, they should skip rocket lake. It's way behind the competition.
So probably 10nm are not even close yet.
tunejunky
exactly this gen and all the gorgeous mobos are for suckers cuz lga1700 is this summer
Fox2232
For power hungry stuff, you build yourself nice server. And send workload there from laptop. That way, your day to day activity does not clutter production environment.
But it is true that some tools need extra performance even in preparation phase.
I think that most reasonable laptops for productivity are those few which has AMD's 6C/12T or 8C/16C CPUs + nVidia's 2060 and 16GB+ ram. Lenovo makes such thingy available even at $1000.
When looking for intel equivalent, they start around $1400.
This intel's big.LITTLE is likely not going to be productivity king in reasonable price range. But it may make nice ultrabooks.
And ultrabooks is where intel dominates and likely tries to keep their big market share. There are like 30 times more models of flip/detacheable screen laptops with intel CPUs than AMD. And they have competitive pricing with AMD. So why those productivity/gaming laptops with intel's CPUs cost so much more while not being any better? I think it is because sales there are of low focus.
Trihy
Look at this
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2021/01/intel-core-i9-11900k-qs-vs-core-i9-10900k-en-cpu-z-aida64-cinebench-3dmark-y-juegos/
Worst than 10900k on almost everything. Way to go intel.
Astyanax
if your reference is Aida64, it uses architecture specific optimizations for each test, the only valid comparison is between chips in the same generation for overclocking.
Trihy
There are many games screens on that link. Sometimes 3fps more, sometimes 3fps less than 10900k. Almost the same thing. It only has single core advantage. On multicore is way behind 10900k.
asturur
Do we know if the power cores are based on intel gen11 or 10 or entirely new?
