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Rumor of Intel closing a license deal with AMD getting stronger
Somewhere last year a rumor popped up that Intel would be interested to close a licensing deal with AMD, basically to use their integrated graphics for the Intel CPUs.
That rumor is now reaffirmed and getting stronger. It might just be a cross-license agreement so that Intel will be enabled to use some of AMD patents. It also might be that AMD could fab the IGP that is to be paired with Intel CPU dies. According to Fudzilla both companies have finalized the deal.
In the end we do not see that last part happening, but Intel is hungry for a GPU patent license, and we all know that AMD can use some additional positive cash-flow. So at this stage, it does not seem unlikely anymore.
To date, neither company has confirmed any of this.
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#5432240 Posted on: 05/16/2017 09:58 AM
if i remember it was cross technology exchange and AMD used it for Ryzen...
it look like the best deal that M$ have done years ago on smartphone: whatever smartphone you bought from concurent, Apple or Android, part of the money goes in their pocket without doing nothing.
It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.
if i remember it was cross technology exchange and AMD used it for Ryzen...
it look like the best deal that M$ have done years ago on smartphone: whatever smartphone you bought from concurent, Apple or Android, part of the money goes in their pocket without doing nothing.
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#5432257 Posted on: 05/16/2017 11:16 AM
if i remember it was cross technology exchange and AMD used it for Ryzen...
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Considering ZEN/RYZEN has been conceived like 5-7 years ago, I can't see it having any cross-technology licensing ties with Intel in regards to current GPU licensing.
if i remember it was cross technology exchange and AMD used it for Ryzen...
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Considering ZEN/RYZEN has been conceived like 5-7 years ago, I can't see it having any cross-technology licensing ties with Intel in regards to current GPU licensing.
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#5432288 Posted on: 05/16/2017 12:54 PM
Does this extend to mobile parts as well? That is where AMD has a large advantage I hope they keep.
Does this extend to mobile parts as well? That is where AMD has a large advantage I hope they keep.
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#5432330 Posted on: 05/16/2017 03:33 PM
I don't believe Intel will pair their CPU die with AMD's GPU. No way.
Using some IP licenses is a different case.
It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.
i believe the license is not about something like using AMDs GPU
i believe it license more about the tech
similar to ARM licensing (cortex or architectural licensing)
with the license intel will build their own things, there wont be any amd parts.
AMD been doing really good with their SoC (jaguar)... i guess there something intel want to make their as good as AMDs
I don't believe Intel will pair their CPU die with AMD's GPU. No way.
Using some IP licenses is a different case.
It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.
i believe the license is not about something like using AMDs GPU
i believe it license more about the tech
similar to ARM licensing (cortex or architectural licensing)
with the license intel will build their own things, there wont be any amd parts.
AMD been doing really good with their SoC (jaguar)... i guess there something intel want to make their as good as AMDs
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#5432381 Posted on: 05/16/2017 06:21 PM
Agree for the project start, but as my race car where intended to be with Ford engine and were on track with Vauxhall when 1st hit the track... , i think i have read that it was an "exchange" of technology and was integrated in Zen.
Anyway it will not change anything for us
Considering ZEN/RYZEN has been conceived like 5-7 years ago, I can't see it having any cross-technology licensing ties with Intel in regards to current GPU licensing.
Agree for the project start, but as my race car where intended to be with Ford engine and were on track with Vauxhall when 1st hit the track... , i think i have read that it was an "exchange" of technology and was integrated in Zen.
Anyway it will not change anything for us
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#5432388 Posted on: 05/16/2017 06:36 PM
Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
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#5432394 Posted on: 05/16/2017 06:55 PM
They don't have basic licensing for patents. This is going to be a patent exchange.
Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
They don't have basic licensing for patents. This is going to be a patent exchange.
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#5432396 Posted on: 05/16/2017 07:02 PM
Truth be told though we have not seen a new APU in years. If Summit Ridge rumors are true, then we will see some good performance coming out of their igpu's soon enough.
But even if the hardware is capable Intel compared to AMD, drivers for IGPU on the Intel side are horrible.
Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
Truth be told though we have not seen a new APU in years. If Summit Ridge rumors are true, then we will see some good performance coming out of their igpu's soon enough.
But even if the hardware is capable Intel compared to AMD, drivers for IGPU on the Intel side are horrible.
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#5432409 Posted on: 05/16/2017 07:29 PM
Not gonna happen.
Even if they wanted a 3rd party integrated GPU it would be with NV.
NV parts are just much better especially for mobile parts where perf/w is most important.
Pascal is like 50% better in that regard compared to polaris.
Not gonna happen.
Even if they wanted a 3rd party integrated GPU it would be with NV.
NV parts are just much better especially for mobile parts where perf/w is most important.
Pascal is like 50% better in that regard compared to polaris.
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#5432418 Posted on: 05/16/2017 07:56 PM
^ you have clearly never tinkered with one of AMD's APU's they are king in overall performance on a single chip even at 28/32nm
^ you have clearly never tinkered with one of AMD's APU's they are king in overall performance on a single chip even at 28/32nm
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#5432419 Posted on: 05/16/2017 07:57 PM
Not gonna happen.
Even if they wanted a 3rd party integrated GPU it would be with NV.
NV parts are just much better especially for mobile parts where perf/w is most important.
Pascal is like 50% better in that regard compared to polaris.
It has nothing to do with integrating silicone. Intel was licensing display patents from NVIDIA, now they will from AMD. Also Apple seems to disagree with you.
Not gonna happen.
Even if they wanted a 3rd party integrated GPU it would be with NV.
NV parts are just much better especially for mobile parts where perf/w is most important.
Pascal is like 50% better in that regard compared to polaris.
It has nothing to do with integrating silicone. Intel was licensing display patents from NVIDIA, now they will from AMD. Also Apple seems to disagree with you.
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#5432433 Posted on: 05/16/2017 08:41 PM
well onboard amd is a hell of a lot faster then intel onboard is garbage
well onboard amd is a hell of a lot faster then intel onboard is garbage
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#5432435 Posted on: 05/16/2017 08:44 PM
Seems to be a done deal:
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43663-intel-is-licensing-amd-graphics
Seems to be a done deal:
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43663-intel-is-licensing-amd-graphics
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#5432447 Posted on: 05/16/2017 09:16 PM
Iris Pro itself is pretty capable, but the fact you can't overclock it like you can some APU's, and memory clocks really have no performance affect on them as well, and then the fact Intel drivers are awful and anything with an Iris Pro is not cheap, it's not worth it.
well onboard amd is a hell of a lot faster then intel onboard is garbage
Iris Pro itself is pretty capable, but the fact you can't overclock it like you can some APU's, and memory clocks really have no performance affect on them as well, and then the fact Intel drivers are awful and anything with an Iris Pro is not cheap, it's not worth it.
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I don't believe Intel will pair their CPU die with AMD's GPU. No way.
Using some IP licenses is a different case.
It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.