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Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe M.2. SSD review
Posted by: on: 06/04/2019 01:42 PM [
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Samsung recently outed a Plus edition of the 970 M.2. EVO drives. All new though is a move towards a 2 TB unit, which we review today. AS IF they were not fast enough, they improved writes allowing R/W up to 3500/3300 MB/s thanks to the latest 3bit written NAND and a new Phoenix controller.
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MegaFalloutFan
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Posted on: 06/04/2019 05:51 PM
Im sorry but for 500USD its an OVERPRICED Trash and i fully acknowledge of what i just said.
Corsair MP510 2TB beats it in benchmarks, costs 299USD permanently and the cherry on the top has 3120TBW
Even the 1TB MP510 has higher endurance 1700TBW then Samsung 2TBs 1200TBW
For 600USD as in 100$ more then 2Tb Samsung you can have 4TB RAID0 with 3120TBW and fly to the moon
Im sorry but for 500USD its an OVERPRICED Trash and i fully acknowledge of what i just said.
Corsair MP510 2TB beats it in benchmarks, costs 299USD permanently and the cherry on the top has 3120TBW
Even the 1TB MP510 has higher endurance 1700TBW then Samsung 2TBs 1200TBW
For 600USD as in 100$ more then 2Tb Samsung you can have 4TB RAID0 with 3120TBW and fly to the moon
er557
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Posted on: 06/04/2019 06:02 PM
corsair mp510 is outperformed by hp ex950 2TB, a better drive on all fronts, has it's own nvme driver, and a better controller. You just better be off to provide it some cooling.
corsair mp510 is outperformed by hp ex950 2TB, a better drive on all fronts, has it's own nvme driver, and a better controller. You just better be off to provide it some cooling.
D3M1G0D
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Posted on: 06/04/2019 07:44 PM
Great review. Love how compact it is and offers so much. No need for Sata cables and whatsoever.
Once my 512GB 850 EVO won't cut in anymore, I consider to switch to NVMe.
Yeah, they're pretty sweet. I got one when I built my first Ryzen system and couldn't believe how small it was. I also couldn't believe how easy it was to install, plus it does wonders for cable management. I also got an enclosure for one and use it like a flash drive (I'm thinking of doing away with actual flash drives from now on).
Great review. Love how compact it is and offers so much. No need for Sata cables and whatsoever.
Once my 512GB 850 EVO won't cut in anymore, I consider to switch to NVMe.
Yeah, they're pretty sweet. I got one when I built my first Ryzen system and couldn't believe how small it was. I also couldn't believe how easy it was to install, plus it does wonders for cable management. I also got an enclosure for one and use it like a flash drive (I'm thinking of doing away with actual flash drives from now on).
The Goose
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 12:31 AM
Im sorry but for 500USD its an OVERPRICED Trash and i fully acknowledge of what i just said.
Corsair MP510 2TB beats it in benchmarks, costs 299USD permanently and the cherry on the top has 3120TBW
Even the 1TB MP510 has higher endurance 1700TBW then Samsung 2TBs 1200TBW
For 600USD as in 100$ more then 2Tb Samsung you can have 4TB RAID0 with 3120TBW and fly to the moon
Yeah but not much cheaper https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Corsair-1920Gb-force-Series-Mp510-M-2-Nvme-Ssd-M-2-2280-Pcie-3D-Nand-R-W-34/401766540224?hash=item5d8b26e3c0:g:OnoAAOSwJJdc2Z9s
Im sorry but for 500USD its an OVERPRICED Trash and i fully acknowledge of what i just said.
Corsair MP510 2TB beats it in benchmarks, costs 299USD permanently and the cherry on the top has 3120TBW
Even the 1TB MP510 has higher endurance 1700TBW then Samsung 2TBs 1200TBW
For 600USD as in 100$ more then 2Tb Samsung you can have 4TB RAID0 with 3120TBW and fly to the moon
Yeah but not much cheaper https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Corsair-1920Gb-force-Series-Mp510-M-2-Nvme-Ssd-M-2-2280-Pcie-3D-Nand-R-W-34/401766540224?hash=item5d8b26e3c0:g:OnoAAOSwJJdc2Z9s
CMDR_Sheprd
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 02:02 AM
Is no one going to talk about the Intel 660p 2TB for $199..... no?
Is no one going to talk about the Intel 660p 2TB for $199..... no?
MegaFalloutFan
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 02:51 AM
MUCH MUCHHHHH cheaper, the offical retail price in USA was just reduced to 279USD for 2TB drive, but if you not from USA you can still buy from amazon.com they ship to most countries,I buy most parts there but I usually compare across all amazon shops, USA, UK, Spain, France and Spain, thge bonus of buying from EU i get additional discount, VAT reduction.
Sometimes EU prices are compared to US, then with VAT removal and lower shipping from EU its even cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Force-MP510-1920GB-Storage/dp/B07HR5PN9Q
P.S. I assume your from UK? Corsair also sells everything thats on their web site, you can buy directly, and they have localized shops, UK, France, Spain.
The offical retail price in Corsair UK to buy directly from them with warranty and free shipping is 264.99GBP for 2TB drive
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Storage/M-2-SSDs/Force-Series-MP510/p/CSSD-F1920GBMP510
Yeah but not much cheaper https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Corsair-1920Gb-force-Series-Mp510-M-2-Nvme-Ssd-M-2-2280-Pcie-3D-Nand-R-W-34/401766540224?hash=item5d8b26e3c0:g:OnoAAOSwJJdc2Z9s
Yeah but not much cheaper https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Corsair-1920Gb-force-Series-Mp510-M-2-Nvme-Ssd-M-2-2280-Pcie-3D-Nand-R-W-34/401766540224?hash=item5d8b26e3c0:g:OnoAAOSwJJdc2Z9s
MUCH MUCHHHHH cheaper, the offical retail price in USA was just reduced to 279USD for 2TB drive, but if you not from USA you can still buy from amazon.com they ship to most countries,I buy most parts there but I usually compare across all amazon shops, USA, UK, Spain, France and Spain, thge bonus of buying from EU i get additional discount, VAT reduction.
Sometimes EU prices are compared to US, then with VAT removal and lower shipping from EU its even cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Force-MP510-1920GB-Storage/dp/B07HR5PN9Q
P.S. I assume your from UK? Corsair also sells everything thats on their web site, you can buy directly, and they have localized shops, UK, France, Spain.
The offical retail price in Corsair UK to buy directly from them with warranty and free shipping is 264.99GBP for 2TB drive
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Storage/M-2-SSDs/Force-Series-MP510/p/CSSD-F1920GBMP510
MegaFalloutFan
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 02:55 AM
Yes, its cheap but its slower then all modern NVMe drives, it will be faster then SATA SSD and its cheaper then 2Tb SATA so in this case it great.
But the main purpose for this drive is Data/File/Games, its not speed or longivity
Is no one going to talk about the Intel 660p 2TB for $199..... no?
Yes, its cheap but its slower then all modern NVMe drives, it will be faster then SATA SSD and its cheaper then 2Tb SATA so in this case it great.
But the main purpose for this drive is Data/File/Games, its not speed or longivity
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 09:37 AM
Great review. Love how compact it is and offers so much. No need for Sata cables and whatsoever.
Once my 512GB 850 EVO won't cut in anymore, I consider to switch to NVMe.
One always needs some storage space. This week I revisited my quest for cheap large capacity (not so fast) M.2.
And noticed something interesting. 1TB M.2 having PCIe 3.0 x4 with read speed around 2.1GB/s are just 30% more expensive than 1TB SSDs which are limited to 550MB/s read speed.
There's not much more space for reduced prices at this moment. (2TB is different in this.)
Great review. Love how compact it is and offers so much. No need for Sata cables and whatsoever.
Once my 512GB 850 EVO won't cut in anymore, I consider to switch to NVMe.
One always needs some storage space. This week I revisited my quest for cheap large capacity (not so fast) M.2.
And noticed something interesting. 1TB M.2 having PCIe 3.0 x4 with read speed around 2.1GB/s are just 30% more expensive than 1TB SSDs which are limited to 550MB/s read speed.
There's not much more space for reduced prices at this moment. (2TB is different in this.)
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 10:30 AM
It's a pity, that no 960 Pro 2TB was testet, although one can be seen near the CPU-socket on the motherboard on page 7:
https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=50984
I assume it's the systemdrive of that testrig, but it'd have just been nice 2 see a comparison of it. ;-)
But still thanks a lot for the interesting review.
It's a pity, that no 960 Pro 2TB was testet, although one can be seen near the CPU-socket on the motherboard on page 7:
https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=50984
I assume it's the systemdrive of that testrig, but it'd have just been nice 2 see a comparison of it. ;-)
But still thanks a lot for the interesting review.
Terrible
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 01:26 PM
Speed is great and blah blah blah but how about reliability?
Consumer SSDs still lose data after sudden power loss!
Don't believe me?
Try it yourself https://brad.livejournal.com/2116715.html
Its frustrating that no one doing reviews runs that simple test...
It would be nice if you where the first one to consistently test it Hilbert, be our hero!!!
Speed is great and blah blah blah but how about reliability?
Consumer SSDs still lose data after sudden power loss!
Don't believe me?
Try it yourself https://brad.livejournal.com/2116715.html
Its frustrating that no one doing reviews runs that simple test...
It would be nice if you where the first one to consistently test it Hilbert, be our hero!!!
D3M1G0D
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 02:07 PM
Speed is great and blah blah blah but how about reliability?
Consumer SSDs still lose data after sudden power loss!
Don't believe me?
Try it yourself https://brad.livejournal.com/2116715.html
Its frustrating that no one doing reviews runs that simple test...
It would be nice if you where the first one to consistently test it Hilbert, be our hero!!!
If you don't want data to be lost/corrupted on sudden power loss then disable write caching (you will lose performance by doing so but it will prevent data corruption). I do this for my BOINC drive so that I don't lose computing progress on brown/blackouts.
Speed is great and blah blah blah but how about reliability?
Consumer SSDs still lose data after sudden power loss!
Don't believe me?
Try it yourself https://brad.livejournal.com/2116715.html
Its frustrating that no one doing reviews runs that simple test...
It would be nice if you where the first one to consistently test it Hilbert, be our hero!!!
If you don't want data to be lost/corrupted on sudden power loss then disable write caching (you will lose performance by doing so but it will prevent data corruption). I do this for my BOINC drive so that I don't lose computing progress on brown/blackouts.
MegaFalloutFan
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Posted on: 06/05/2019 10:57 PM
How about buying a UPS? Its dirt cheap these days, I just got 2000VA/1200W one for same price 600W cost me 10 years ago
If you don't want data to be lost/corrupted on sudden power loss then disable write caching (you will lose performance by doing so but it will prevent data corruption). I do this for my BOINC drive so that I don't lose computing progress on brown/blackouts.
How about buying a UPS? Its dirt cheap these days, I just got 2000VA/1200W one for same price 600W cost me 10 years ago
yasamoka
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Posted on: 06/06/2019 05:02 AM
Yes, its cheap but its slower then all modern NVMe drives, it will be faster then SATA SSD and its cheaper then 2Tb SATA so in this case it great.
But the main purpose for this drive is Data/File/Games, its not speed or longivity
Nope. It's slower than many SATA drives in most metrics.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13078/the-intel-ssd-660p-ssd-review-qlc-nand-arrives
Yes, its cheap but its slower then all modern NVMe drives, it will be faster then SATA SSD and its cheaper then 2Tb SATA so in this case it great.
But the main purpose for this drive is Data/File/Games, its not speed or longivity
Nope. It's slower than many SATA drives in most metrics.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13078/the-intel-ssd-660p-ssd-review-qlc-nand-arrives
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Posted on: 06/06/2019 08:27 AM
Speed is great and blah blah blah but how about reliability?
Consumer SSDs still lose data after sudden power loss!
Don't believe me?
Try it yourself https://brad.livejournal.com/2116715.html
Its frustrating that no one doing reviews runs that simple test...
It would be nice if you where the first one to consistently test it Hilbert, be our hero!!!
All this silly rant... just get entry level UPS for like 100-150€.
Speed is great and blah blah blah but how about reliability?
Consumer SSDs still lose data after sudden power loss!
Don't believe me?
Try it yourself https://brad.livejournal.com/2116715.html
Its frustrating that no one doing reviews runs that simple test...
It would be nice if you where the first one to consistently test it Hilbert, be our hero!!!
All this silly rant... just get entry level UPS for like 100-150€.
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Posted on: 06/06/2019 10:52 AM
Im sorry but for 500USD its an OVERPRICED Trash and i fully acknowledge of what i just said.
Corsair MP510 2TB beats it in benchmarks, costs 299USD permanently and the cherry on the top has 3120TBW
Even the 1TB MP510 has higher endurance 1700TBW then Samsung 2TBs 1200TBW
For 600USD as in 100$ more then 2Tb Samsung you can have 4TB RAID0 with 3120TBW and fly to the moon
You can say it is over priced but you spoil your argument by saying it is trash.
At least you apologised at the start for your ill thought out rant....
So you get 1 out of 10 for that post.
Im sorry but for 500USD its an OVERPRICED Trash and i fully acknowledge of what i just said.
Corsair MP510 2TB beats it in benchmarks, costs 299USD permanently and the cherry on the top has 3120TBW
Even the 1TB MP510 has higher endurance 1700TBW then Samsung 2TBs 1200TBW
For 600USD as in 100$ more then 2Tb Samsung you can have 4TB RAID0 with 3120TBW and fly to the moon
You can say it is over priced but you spoil your argument by saying it is trash.
At least you apologised at the start for your ill thought out rant....
So you get 1 out of 10 for that post.
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Posted on: 06/06/2019 10:55 AM
Note that nobody ever moved from the old SATA SSD and got blown away from the performance of the new spec in the real world compared how people were blown away moving from HDD to SSD.
End of story. You can quote figures all you like.
Note that nobody ever moved from the old SATA SSD and got blown away from the performance of the new spec in the real world compared how people were blown away moving from HDD to SSD.
End of story. You can quote figures all you like.
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Posted on: 06/06/2019 12:05 PM
I was wondering would it be benficial to cache such a drive with ram cache, say with primo cache. certainly the benchmarks would sore, but real world use? also there is the issue of volatile ram, in case of power loss the OS drive could become corrupt...
http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/crucial-momentum-cache-works-on-any-nvme-ssd/
I was wondering would it be benficial to cache such a drive with ram cache, say with primo cache. certainly the benchmarks would sore, but real world use? also there is the issue of volatile ram, in case of power loss the OS drive could become corrupt...
http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/crucial-momentum-cache-works-on-any-nvme-ssd/
D3M1G0D
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Posted on: 06/06/2019 01:15 PM
A UPS is a good backup option, but it's still a good idea to turn off write caching if you don't want to lose data.
How about buying a UPS? Its dirt cheap these days, I just got 2000VA/1200W one for same price 600W cost me 10 years ago
A UPS is a good backup option, but it's still a good idea to turn off write caching if you don't want to lose data.
MegaFalloutFan
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Posted on: 06/07/2019 03:03 AM
You can say it is over priced but you spoil your argument by saying it is trash.
At least you apologised at the start for your ill thought out rant....
So you get 1 out of 10 for that post.
Samsung suits think way too high of themselves, if there is product with almost three times the endurance, similar benchmarks, much lower price and they still make money , it only means Samsung is stuck in the old days of SSD pricing and trying to fish their fanboys to autobuy.
Of course its the product is not trash, there are much worse SSDs, the price is 100% trash and versus MP510 2Tb it kind of meh SSD 3120TBW is no joke, EVO is no longer the king.
Last year MP510 also gave a fight to Evo 970
You can say it is over priced but you spoil your argument by saying it is trash.
At least you apologised at the start for your ill thought out rant....
So you get 1 out of 10 for that post.
Samsung suits think way too high of themselves, if there is product with almost three times the endurance, similar benchmarks, much lower price and they still make money , it only means Samsung is stuck in the old days of SSD pricing and trying to fish their fanboys to autobuy.
Of course its the product is not trash, there are much worse SSDs, the price is 100% trash and versus MP510 2Tb it kind of meh SSD 3120TBW is no joke, EVO is no longer the king.
Last year MP510 also gave a fight to Evo 970
Terrible
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 03:50 AM
Disabling the write cache doesn't guarantee that you don't loose data in some models unfortunately, thats why data integrity and durability is something that has value in being tested, at least to know if disabling the write cache guarantees not loosing data.
Also, whats the speed when you disable the write cache?
Yes, I have an UPS, but still you can loose power, just to give some examples:
- you leave your computer, the power goes off and the battery drains out (yeah, I know there are ways to automatically do a graceful shutdown, but is not always possible and not always guaranteed to be successful).
- the computer hangs so you have to push the power button for 5s to force a shutdown, that will cut the power to the SSD, granted, it should have emptied its write cache by the time you do that... but still... who knows for sure?
- the PSU overheats or fails and cuts the power.
- you or somebody else is cleaning or the cat is bored and the cord gets unplugged.
- the battery of your UPS is wasted and doesn't provide the required power.
- and probably some other strange things that can happen that just cut the power suddenly...
So we had good and reliable hard disks for some time (we had also unreliable hard disks but thats a long long time ago...) and now we have fast but very unreliable solid state drives but nobody cares about how much unreliable they are and if they have a workaround to make them reliable, how much speed do you loose in exchange...
Is a bit frustrating.
I am being constructive and just giving an opinion about something that I think is valued for some people and unknown for a lot of others, many people just think that SSDs are reliable but they aren't (unless you buy an expensive data center oriented one).
If people start reviewing this, there would be an incentive from manufacturers to improve the situation and we as consumers win.
Thanks a lot for your opinions and suggestions guys!!!
Disabling the write cache doesn't guarantee that you don't loose data in some models unfortunately, thats why data integrity and durability is something that has value in being tested, at least to know if disabling the write cache guarantees not loosing data.
Also, whats the speed when you disable the write cache?
Yes, I have an UPS, but still you can loose power, just to give some examples:
- you leave your computer, the power goes off and the battery drains out (yeah, I know there are ways to automatically do a graceful shutdown, but is not always possible and not always guaranteed to be successful).
- the computer hangs so you have to push the power button for 5s to force a shutdown, that will cut the power to the SSD, granted, it should have emptied its write cache by the time you do that... but still... who knows for sure?
- the PSU overheats or fails and cuts the power.
- you or somebody else is cleaning or the cat is bored and the cord gets unplugged.
- the battery of your UPS is wasted and doesn't provide the required power.
- and probably some other strange things that can happen that just cut the power suddenly...
So we had good and reliable hard disks for some time (we had also unreliable hard disks but thats a long long time ago...) and now we have fast but very unreliable solid state drives but nobody cares about how much unreliable they are and if they have a workaround to make them reliable, how much speed do you loose in exchange...
Is a bit frustrating.
I am being constructive and just giving an opinion about something that I think is valued for some people and unknown for a lot of others, many people just think that SSDs are reliable but they aren't (unless you buy an expensive data center oriented one).
If people start reviewing this, there would be an incentive from manufacturers to improve the situation and we as consumers win.
Thanks a lot for your opinions and suggestions guys!!!
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Great review. Love how compact it is and offers so much. No need for Sata cables and whatsoever.
Once my 512GB 850 EVO won't cut in anymore, I consider to switch to NVMe.