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MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Evoke review
Posted by: on: 08/14/2019 02:00 PM [
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Custom NAVI is here, yes meet the MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Evoke that we review today. It has increased clocks, increased looks and well is just customized all the way. Fabricated at a 7nm node and capable of battling with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2060 and 2070 we'll check out how well it holds against the reference card as well.
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Serega_Mih
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 02:20 PM
Why no page
Why no page
Product PCB and component overview?o_O
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 02:23 PM
Why no page
Have not had the time for it just yet, but it will be added later.
Why no page
Product PCB and component overview?o_O
Have not had the time for it just yet, but it will be added later.
Serega_Mih
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 02:24 PM
Okay
Have not had the time for it just yet, but it will be added later.
Okay
Mpampis
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 02:31 PM
Very nice design. But most cases are either black or grey, so the color is hard to match.
Performance is not much better than the reference design, but I think the card won't carry a huge price premium.
I've seen somewhere on the web that the card uses a PCB that's pretty similar to the stock one, but has better capacitors.
Very nice design. But most cases are either black or grey, so the color is hard to match.
Performance is not much better than the reference design, but I think the card won't carry a huge price premium.
I've seen somewhere on the web that the card uses a PCB that's pretty similar to the stock one, but has better capacitors.
Lindstroem
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 03:50 PM
Gah! Seemed like such a nice card based on other reviews which did not cover noise as a major issue, but this review made me cancel my purchase (expected delivery Friday).
What I cant quite grasp, is that the new "Silent " BIOS only decreased noise levels to 53db, but there still seem to be alot of thermal headroom to decrease the fanspeed more than to 2000 RPM? Could you please do a test with custom fan curve at ~1700 RPM with stresstest to see load temp and acoustics? That would significantly improve the thoroughness of this otherwise great (but dissapointing) review.
Pretty please?
Gah! Seemed like such a nice card based on other reviews which did not cover noise as a major issue, but this review made me cancel my purchase (expected delivery Friday).
What I cant quite grasp, is that the new "Silent " BIOS only decreased noise levels to 53db, but there still seem to be alot of thermal headroom to decrease the fanspeed more than to 2000 RPM? Could you please do a test with custom fan curve at ~1700 RPM with stresstest to see load temp and acoustics? That would significantly improve the thoroughness of this otherwise great (but dissapointing) review.
Pretty please?
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 04:21 PM
Gah! Seemed like such a nice card based on other reviews which did not cover noise as a major issue, but this review made me cancel my purchase (expected delivery Friday).
What I cant quite grasp, is that the new "Silent " BIOS only decreased noise levels to 53db, but there still seem to be alot of thermal headroom to decrease the fanspeed more than to 2000 RPM? Could you please do a test with custom fan curve at ~1700 RPM with stresstest to see load temp and acoustics? That would significantly improve the thoroughness of this otherwise great (but dissapointing) review.
Pretty please?
Let me correct you there, it's not 53 DBa is 43 DBa, so that is a notch above the noise level your PC (in general) generates. But yes it is moderately audible with the 'silent' BIOS and just as loud as reference cards based on the default shipping BIOS.
As to your request, currently, there is a bug in the AMD drivers. Setting a fixed fan speed resulted in random results: for example, if we set 40%, the fans can run towards 55%. Until that is addressed there is no objective manner to test manually fixed RPM settings. AMD is aware of this though.
Gah! Seemed like such a nice card based on other reviews which did not cover noise as a major issue, but this review made me cancel my purchase (expected delivery Friday).
What I cant quite grasp, is that the new "Silent " BIOS only decreased noise levels to 53db, but there still seem to be alot of thermal headroom to decrease the fanspeed more than to 2000 RPM? Could you please do a test with custom fan curve at ~1700 RPM with stresstest to see load temp and acoustics? That would significantly improve the thoroughness of this otherwise great (but dissapointing) review.
Pretty please?
Let me correct you there, it's not 53 DBa is 43 DBa, so that is a notch above the noise level your PC (in general) generates. But yes it is moderately audible with the 'silent' BIOS and just as loud as reference cards based on the default shipping BIOS.
As to your request, currently, there is a bug in the AMD drivers. Setting a fixed fan speed resulted in random results: for example, if we set 40%, the fans can run towards 55%. Until that is addressed there is no objective manner to test manually fixed RPM settings. AMD is aware of this though.
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 04:30 PM
I love the look of this card minus the color. I think maybe a gunmetal gray color would look really neat and blend in nicer for most builds.
I love the look of this card minus the color. I think maybe a gunmetal gray color would look really neat and blend in nicer for most builds.
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 04:42 PM
Let me correct you there, it's not 53 DBa is 43 DBa, so that is a notch above the noise level your PC (in general) generates. But yes it is moderately audible with the 'silent' BIOS and just as loud as reference cards based on the default shipping BIOS.
As to your request, currently, there is a bug in the AMD drivers. Setting a fixed fan speed resulted in random results: for example, if we set 40%, the fans can run towards 55%. Until that is addressed there is no objective manner to test manually fixed RPM settings. AMD is aware of this though.
Hey and thanks for a quick response! Granted its not 50 DBa but its close to the reference design which is being trashed for it's noise levels. Apart from throttling my main goal my main goal is reducing db as much as possible so I'm very intrigued by MSI's balancing act here, cudos for them realising a "silent mode" but its still nowhear near silent while still having very low temp levels. I currently sit on a GTX 670 which is quoted to have ~42db noise levels and one of my objectives for a new PC is a quiet one. So unless they can release another bios update with lower RPMs or AMD fixes the fixed RPM-settings within the next 7 days, I will probably go with another card.
Awesome OC though, well done. What were the thermals while overclocked?
Let me correct you there, it's not 53 DBa is 43 DBa, so that is a notch above the noise level your PC (in general) generates. But yes it is moderately audible with the 'silent' BIOS and just as loud as reference cards based on the default shipping BIOS.
As to your request, currently, there is a bug in the AMD drivers. Setting a fixed fan speed resulted in random results: for example, if we set 40%, the fans can run towards 55%. Until that is addressed there is no objective manner to test manually fixed RPM settings. AMD is aware of this though.
Hey and thanks for a quick response! Granted its not 50 DBa but its close to the reference design which is being trashed for it's noise levels. Apart from throttling my main goal my main goal is reducing db as much as possible so I'm very intrigued by MSI's balancing act here, cudos for them realising a "silent mode" but its still nowhear near silent while still having very low temp levels. I currently sit on a GTX 670 which is quoted to have ~42db noise levels and one of my objectives for a new PC is a quiet one. So unless they can release another bios update with lower RPMs or AMD fixes the fixed RPM-settings within the next 7 days, I will probably go with another card.
Awesome OC though, well done. What were the thermals while overclocked?
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 04:47 PM
Not that far off actually due to the high RPM applied already. If you like to stick to MSI, there will be a Gaming X model as well and that one will address acoustics the way you expect them to be.
What were the thermals while overclocked?
Not that far off actually due to the high RPM applied already. If you like to stick to MSI, there will be a Gaming X model as well and that one will address acoustics the way you expect them to be.
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 06:08 PM
Goldfinger would have got a boner just by looking at this card...
If you want something comparable with the asus strix version then you should wait for the gaming X version. It will be a three fans low noise and even better cooled than this version.
According to the IPC channel the price for this will be 13990 Taiwan dollars (yuans) so approximately 445 USD.
Goldfinger would have got a boner just by looking at this card...
If you want something comparable with the asus strix version then you should wait for the gaming X version. It will be a three fans low noise and even better cooled than this version.
According to the IPC channel the price for this will be 13990 Taiwan dollars (yuans) so approximately 445 USD.
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 06:35 PM
I'd expect MSI doing better...
I'd expect MSI doing better...
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 07:11 PM
What's the point of an after market cooler that runs as loud as the crappy reference blower?
Temps are good, so there's probably some headroom to play with, but still...
What's the point of an after market cooler that runs as loud as the crappy reference blower?
Temps are good, so there's probably some headroom to play with, but still...
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Posted on: 08/14/2019 08:07 PM
So visually, the card's aesthetics are subjective of course but for me, unappealing. Aurally, the acoustics of the card are objectively... bad. So MSI kind of dropped the ball on this card...And there's no dent to blame either...
This is not to say that it isn't a capable card, far from it, it performs well but it's just not doing what you'd expect from an AIB card very well.
So visually, the card's aesthetics are subjective of course but for me, unappealing. Aurally, the acoustics of the card are objectively... bad. So MSI kind of dropped the ball on this card...And there's no dent to blame either...
This is not to say that it isn't a capable card, far from it, it performs well but it's just not doing what you'd expect from an AIB card very well.
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Posted on: 08/15/2019 07:18 AM
Let me correct you there, it's not 53 DBa is 43 DBa, so that is a notch above the noise level your PC (in general) generates. But yes it is moderately audible with the 'silent' BIOS and just as loud as reference cards based on the default shipping BIOS.
As to your request, currently, there is a bug in the AMD drivers. Setting a fixed fan speed resulted in random results: for example, if we set 40%, the fans can run towards 55%. Until that is addressed there is no objective manner to test manually fixed RPM settings. AMD is aware of this though.
Well, performance to noise to temperature seems only marginally better than reference. Strix came out better.
But I have feeling that all of 5700 XT will have very similar performance. That's probably because they do not want to go way above TBP. But those that can cool better at lower noise level can at least be comfortably overclocked even via Wattman.
Let me correct you there, it's not 53 DBa is 43 DBa, so that is a notch above the noise level your PC (in general) generates. But yes it is moderately audible with the 'silent' BIOS and just as loud as reference cards based on the default shipping BIOS.
As to your request, currently, there is a bug in the AMD drivers. Setting a fixed fan speed resulted in random results: for example, if we set 40%, the fans can run towards 55%. Until that is addressed there is no objective manner to test manually fixed RPM settings. AMD is aware of this though.
Well, performance to noise to temperature seems only marginally better than reference. Strix came out better.
But I have feeling that all of 5700 XT will have very similar performance. That's probably because they do not want to go way above TBP. But those that can cool better at lower noise level can at least be comfortably overclocked even via Wattman.
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Posted on: 08/15/2019 07:30 AM
Why did they restrict the card like that? HH confirmed card is power limited, thats not fun. Vega went well above tdp even polaris did. This just made custom 5700's not that interesting if it does not offer additional performance compared to reference card.
Why did they restrict the card like that? HH confirmed card is power limited, thats not fun. Vega went well above tdp even polaris did. This just made custom 5700's not that interesting if it does not offer additional performance compared to reference card.
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No RGB
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Posted on: 08/15/2019 10:12 AM
I don't know about that, as a general statement I mean.
Looking at various Navi reviews, mostly the reference models but including the AIB models now that they've started to pop up, there seem to be very little gains in overclocking the core even when the cards aren't power limited. The cards seem limited almost entirely by memory bandwidth and so far I haven't seen any review who's managed to get any good overclocks on the memory, even if the scaling is still there for what little gains there are.
Overall though, hasn't this basically been the case for the GPU market overall for quite a while? The reasonable max push for both vendors seem to land at about ~10% gains, usually at significant power costs.
IMO that doesn't make that custom cards less interesting though, especially on the AMD side with their generally terrible reference coolers. It's just about thermals and noise (and bling I suppose) rather than pure performance, and we haven't gotten the latter for a while.
This just made custom 5700's not that interesting if it does not offer additional performance compared to reference card.
I don't know about that, as a general statement I mean.
Looking at various Navi reviews, mostly the reference models but including the AIB models now that they've started to pop up, there seem to be very little gains in overclocking the core even when the cards aren't power limited. The cards seem limited almost entirely by memory bandwidth and so far I haven't seen any review who's managed to get any good overclocks on the memory, even if the scaling is still there for what little gains there are.
Overall though, hasn't this basically been the case for the GPU market overall for quite a while? The reasonable max push for both vendors seem to land at about ~10% gains, usually at significant power costs.
IMO that doesn't make that custom cards less interesting though, especially on the AMD side with their generally terrible reference coolers. It's just about thermals and noise (and bling I suppose) rather than pure performance, and we haven't gotten the latter for a while.
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Posted on: 08/15/2019 11:02 AM
That's because overclocking is a dying business. The big companies: AMD, Intel, Nvidia are already pushing their products at the very limit so you can't really gain too much by additional overclock.
That's because overclocking is a dying business. The big companies: AMD, Intel, Nvidia are already pushing their products at the very limit so you can't really gain too much by additional overclock.
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Posted on: 08/15/2019 03:27 PM
Love the title of the article. Made me think GPUs were now wireless and pushing wireless speeds even more by skipping over 7G
Love the title of the article. Made me think GPUs were now wireless and pushing wireless speeds even more by skipping over 7G
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 05:37 PM
Navi cards are great, but damn they don't overclock worth a shit.
Navi cards are great, but damn they don't overclock worth a shit.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 06:01 PM
With the right UV they do considering boost clocks on reference design is 1905mhz, and people are managing around 2100mhz clock and 900mhz on the memory. Turing doesn't overclock much either, this day in age it's just increasing your headroom for boost clocks.
Navi cards are great, but damn they don't overclock worth a crap.
With the right UV they do considering boost clocks on reference design is 1905mhz, and people are managing around 2100mhz clock and 900mhz on the memory. Turing doesn't overclock much either, this day in age it's just increasing your headroom for boost clocks.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 06:06 PM
Can't speak for Turing but i can say my 1070 doesn't overclock at all outside of the factory overclock it has. From what i've read it's because it has Hynix memory instead of Samsung but really the card becomes unstable as soon as i try to overclock past the factory overclock guaranteed by Asus.
With the right UV they do considering boost clocks on reference design is 1905mhz, and people are managing around 2100mhz clock and 900mhz on the memory. Turing doesn't overclock much either, this day in age it's just increasing your headroom for boost clocks.
Can't speak for Turing but i can say my 1070 doesn't overclock at all outside of the factory overclock it has. From what i've read it's because it has Hynix memory instead of Samsung but really the card becomes unstable as soon as i try to overclock past the factory overclock guaranteed by Asus.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:48 PM
With my overclocked card I'm getting 1070 Ti performance while running cool.
With the right UV they do considering boost clocks on reference design is 1905mhz, and people are managing around 2100mhz clock and 900mhz on the memory. Turing doesn't overclock much either, this day in age it's just increasing your headroom for boost clocks.
With my overclocked card I'm getting 1070 Ti performance while running cool.
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First I read "(pardon the pun)" and I instantly was hoping for an Ewok joke there...
Great review as always, thanks @Hilbert Hagedoorn . And yes, no RGB...