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Guru3D PC Buyers Guide Autumn 2018
Posted by: on: 10/15/2018 12:31 PM [
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The leaves are getting brown and rusty, Welcome, all to the Autumn 2018 edition of Guru3D's PC Buyer's Guide. This article will show you PC builds at various price points that we - as a unit - feel happy to recommend.
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Fox2232
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 12:58 PM
I do mostly agree. 5-Stars. (Could not rate it.)
I do mostly agree. 5-Stars. (Could not rate it.)
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 01:41 PM
Nonsensical? It's called "fall" because leaves fall. It's pretty straight-forward... Meanwhile, without looking it up, do you know what autumn means? Because its meaning isn't quite as ubiquitous.
There are plenty of valid reasons to want to "abolish" it (and even then that's a bit excessive of a motive) but to say nonsensical is not one of them.
It's Autumn not Fall. Pls abolish the nonsensical US terminology.
Nonsensical? It's called "fall" because leaves fall. It's pretty straight-forward... Meanwhile, without looking it up, do you know what autumn means? Because its meaning isn't quite as ubiquitous.
There are plenty of valid reasons to want to "abolish" it (and even then that's a bit excessive of a motive) but to say nonsensical is not one of them.
BlueRay
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 01:59 PM
Nonsensical? It's called "fall" because leaves fall. It's pretty straight-forward... Meanwhile, without looking it up, do you know what autumn means? Because its meaning isn't quite as ubiquitous.
There are plenty of valid reasons to want to "abolish" it (and even then that's a bit excessive of a motive) but to say nonsensical is not one of them.
I do know what Autumn means and where the word is coming from but this is not the place to talk about it.
By the same logic Spring must be called Rise.
This is a European website and as such we use English UK.
Now let's enjoy this guide.
Nonsensical? It's called "fall" because leaves fall. It's pretty straight-forward... Meanwhile, without looking it up, do you know what autumn means? Because its meaning isn't quite as ubiquitous.
There are plenty of valid reasons to want to "abolish" it (and even then that's a bit excessive of a motive) but to say nonsensical is not one of them.
I do know what Autumn means and where the word is coming from but this is not the place to talk about it.
By the same logic Spring must be called Rise.
This is a European website and as such we use English UK.
Now let's enjoy this guide.
Embra
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 02:07 PM
Thanks for the guide HH.
Thanks for the guide HH.
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 02:18 PM
And yet, here you are, continuing to rant. How about next time say something constructive?
Do you not know what the word "spring" means? Because its definition is pretty close to "rise", and the season was called spring because of how plants would "spring from the ground". So yes, it is actually using similar logic.
Countries outside of British territories are well known to stick to one dialect of English vs another, and many European countries switch between various different ones. Why is that a problem? There is no enforced standard. We're on the internet and this is an internationally viewed website (which includes a decent population of people from Asia and the Americas, of which tend to lean toward NA English). So, take your nationalism elsewhere.
Seeing as you completely ignored the guide the first time around and jumped straight to criticizing something that seriously doesn't matter at all, you are not in a position to make such a suggestion.
this is not the place to talk about it.
And yet, here you are, continuing to rant. How about next time say something constructive?
By the same logic Spring must be called Rise.
Do you not know what the word "spring" means? Because its definition is pretty close to "rise", and the season was called spring because of how plants would "spring from the ground". So yes, it is actually using similar logic.
This is a European website and as such we use English UK.
Countries outside of British territories are well known to stick to one dialect of English vs another, and many European countries switch between various different ones. Why is that a problem? There is no enforced standard. We're on the internet and this is an internationally viewed website (which includes a decent population of people from Asia and the Americas, of which tend to lean toward NA English). So, take your nationalism elsewhere.
Now let's enjoy this guide.
Seeing as you completely ignored the guide the first time around and jumped straight to criticizing something that seriously doesn't matter at all, you are not in a position to make such a suggestion.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 02:24 PM
Alright, guys let's please shift the discussion towards the actual content. Thanks.
Alright, guys let's please shift the discussion towards the actual content. Thanks.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 02:26 PM
And yet, here you are, continuing to rant. How about next time say something constructive?
Do you not know what the word "spring" means? Because its definition is pretty close to "rise", and the season was called spring because of how plants would "spring from the ground".
Countries outside of British territories are well known to stick to one dialect of English vs another, and many European countries switch between various different ones. Why is that a problem? There is no enforced standard. We're on the internet and this is an internationally viewed website (which includes a decent population of people from Asia and the Americas, of which tend to lean toward NA English). So, take your nationalism elsewhere.
Seeing as you completely ignored the guide the first time around and jumped straight to criticizing something that seriously doesn't matter at all, you are not in a position to make such a suggestion.
I always use En-US keyboard settings and language preference. I have allergy on En-UK keyboard. And standard Czech keyboard with special Czech keys is always combination of Base En-US and Additional Czech characters.
And yet, here you are, continuing to rant. How about next time say something constructive?
Do you not know what the word "spring" means? Because its definition is pretty close to "rise", and the season was called spring because of how plants would "spring from the ground".
Countries outside of British territories are well known to stick to one dialect of English vs another, and many European countries switch between various different ones. Why is that a problem? There is no enforced standard. We're on the internet and this is an internationally viewed website (which includes a decent population of people from Asia and the Americas, of which tend to lean toward NA English). So, take your nationalism elsewhere.
Seeing as you completely ignored the guide the first time around and jumped straight to criticizing something that seriously doesn't matter at all, you are not in a position to make such a suggestion.
I always use En-US keyboard settings and language preference. I have allergy on En-UK keyboard. And standard Czech keyboard with special Czech keys is always combination of Base En-US and Additional Czech characters.
RzrTrek
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 02:33 PM
What is Vega even doing there? It's not like you can buy it anywhere? They're all out of stock and/or overpriced (1080 Ti prices) in my country.
What is Vega even doing there? It's not like you can buy it anywhere? They're all out of stock and/or overpriced (1080 Ti prices) in my country.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 02:51 PM
How many of Vega 64 do you want? I can buy them for you and sell with 10% price premium. They are cheaper here than GTX 1080.
What is Vega even doing there? It's not like you can buy it anywhere? They're all out of stock and/or overpriced (1080 Ti prices) in my country.
How many of Vega 64 do you want? I can buy them for you and sell with 10% price premium. They are cheaper here than GTX 1080.
tunejunky
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 03:16 PM
great job writing this guide for newbies (or people with old processors).
great job writing this guide for newbies (or people with old processors).
StewieTech
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 03:30 PM
Great job boss, thanks a lot :´D
Great job boss, thanks a lot :´D
go4brendon
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 03:44 PM
My only gripe with the 8700k is it not being soldered. I had to debin mine to get 20 deg shaved off of it, which is a big deal. Had I known, I would have waited for the 9700k
My only gripe with the 8700k is it not being soldered. I had to debin mine to get 20 deg shaved off of it, which is a big deal. Had I known, I would have waited for the 9700k
XenthorX
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 04:36 PM
Holy crap triple fan AIO for 8700k, how much heat does this baby generate? Been on double fan H100i for my 5820K for a couple years now and it's been more than enough for me oO
Holy crap triple fan AIO for 8700k, how much heat does this baby generate? Been on double fan H100i for my 5820K for a couple years now and it's been more than enough for me oO
BlueRay
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 05:19 PM
It's really painful to read a guide today and still see GTX 10xx series as recommended. Damn them prices.
It's really painful to read a guide today and still see GTX 10xx series as recommended. Damn them prices.
hijodeosiris
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 05:20 PM
I´m quite puzzled by the fact HH recommended the Freezer 33 or Gammax 400, and I´m wondering how worser / better a Sctyhe Fuma is compared the both before.
I´m running a 2600 at 4.0Ghz and that thing outputs so much damn heat that even the scythe fuma (which i read so many good reviews) performs so underwhelming, I´m alwyas runnign at 75-90°C running stress tests.
Even gaming NFS Payback with all the eye candy 1440p after 2 hours hte cpu reaches 90°C with 1.425v.
In one hand i have a cooler which perform way below every damn review on the internet (except el chapuzas where i found a cryorig H5 having 85° C under stress and apparently the H5 is at same or better level than Fuma) and in the other hand a CPU that cannot achieve more than 4.0 Ghz without 1.47V using just auto and LLC auto which send the voltage to the sky.
I´m quite puzzled by the fact HH recommended the Freezer 33 or Gammax 400, and I´m wondering how worser / better a Sctyhe Fuma is compared the both before.
I´m running a 2600 at 4.0Ghz and that thing outputs so much damn heat that even the scythe fuma (which i read so many good reviews) performs so underwhelming, I´m alwyas runnign at 75-90°C running stress tests.
Even gaming NFS Payback with all the eye candy 1440p after 2 hours hte cpu reaches 90°C with 1.425v.
In one hand i have a cooler which perform way below every damn review on the internet (except el chapuzas where i found a cryorig H5 having 85° C under stress and apparently the H5 is at same or better level than Fuma) and in the other hand a CPU that cannot achieve more than 4.0 Ghz without 1.47V using just auto and LLC auto which send the voltage to the sky.
reix2x
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 06:59 PM
I´m quite puzzled by the fact HH recommended the Freezer 33 or Gammax 400, and I´m wondering how worser / better a Sctyhe Fuma is compared the both before.
I´m running a 2600 at 4.0Ghz and that thing outputs so much damn heat that even the scythe fuma (which i read so many good reviews) performs so underwhelming, I´m alwyas runnign at 75-90°C running stress tests.
Even gaming NFS Payback with all the eye candy 1440p after 2 hours hte cpu reaches 90°C with 1.425v.
In one hand i have a cooler which perform way below every damn review on the internet (except el chapuzas where i found a cryorig H5 having 85° C under stress and apparently the H5 is at same or better level than Fuma) and in the other hand a CPU that cannot achieve more than 4.0 Ghz without 1.47V using just auto and LLC auto which send the voltage to the sky.
Well, the Sctyhe Fuma is certainly not a 27 USD heatsink, is your ambient temperature very hot? maybe you should try a new thermal compound or a liquid cooler, your voltage is pretty high
I´m quite puzzled by the fact HH recommended the Freezer 33 or Gammax 400, and I´m wondering how worser / better a Sctyhe Fuma is compared the both before.
I´m running a 2600 at 4.0Ghz and that thing outputs so much damn heat that even the scythe fuma (which i read so many good reviews) performs so underwhelming, I´m alwyas runnign at 75-90°C running stress tests.
Even gaming NFS Payback with all the eye candy 1440p after 2 hours hte cpu reaches 90°C with 1.425v.
In one hand i have a cooler which perform way below every damn review on the internet (except el chapuzas where i found a cryorig H5 having 85° C under stress and apparently the H5 is at same or better level than Fuma) and in the other hand a CPU that cannot achieve more than 4.0 Ghz without 1.47V using just auto and LLC auto which send the voltage to the sky.
Well, the Sctyhe Fuma is certainly not a 27 USD heatsink, is your ambient temperature very hot? maybe you should try a new thermal compound or a liquid cooler, your voltage is pretty high
chispy
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 07:04 PM
Pretty cool guide Boss , great choices.
Pretty cool guide Boss , great choices.
Aardie
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 07:10 PM
"SLI can result in stuttery gameplay, due to poor dual GPU implementation and bad frame times"
I have had 2 x evga FTW 1070's in SLI for like 18 months and have never not to my eyes seen this at 4k and 2560. When people mention this point I always say not me ever, seriously never
I do mention 2560 because I play witcher 3 with everything turned on to max all my other games at 4k
"SLI can result in stuttery gameplay, due to poor dual GPU implementation and bad frame times"
I have had 2 x evga FTW 1070's in SLI for like 18 months and have never not to my eyes seen this at 4k and 2560. When people mention this point I always say not me ever, seriously never
I do mention 2560 because I play witcher 3 with everything turned on to max all my other games at 4k
hijodeosiris
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 08:11 PM
At this point I´m just completely resigned that the cooler is either really really bad or my CPU is horny as f***.
I tried mounting the cpu outside the case to be 100% sure the base is making contact and enough pressure, during the night (was chill idk probably 15°C max) even reseated the cooler twice with 2 different thermal pastes and changing the direction of the cooler / fans.
Both attemps gave me same results, the so called "safer" spring system is a joke, simply because the screw have a short threaded lenght and they will never go further down enough to make use of the spring system.
Basically i had to screw so tight (as i would be a mechanic) the base, in order to be sure have "less" space between the base and CPU and the screws would apply more pressure, nothing changed.
So I´m here with a glorified 1Kg of cooper / aluminium and stuck at 4.0Ghz because not even my CPU loves me and i got bad luck because simply will not reached 4.2Ghz unless tha auto system decide to throw 1.475V
YAY!!
Well, the Sctyhe Fuma is certainly not a 27 USD heatsink, is your ambient temperature very hot? maybe you should try a new thermal compound or a liquid cooler, your voltage is pretty high
At this point I´m just completely resigned that the cooler is either really really bad or my CPU is horny as f***.
I tried mounting the cpu outside the case to be 100% sure the base is making contact and enough pressure, during the night (was chill idk probably 15°C max) even reseated the cooler twice with 2 different thermal pastes and changing the direction of the cooler / fans.
Both attemps gave me same results, the so called "safer" spring system is a joke, simply because the screw have a short threaded lenght and they will never go further down enough to make use of the spring system.
Basically i had to screw so tight (as i would be a mechanic) the base, in order to be sure have "less" space between the base and CPU and the screws would apply more pressure, nothing changed.
So I´m here with a glorified 1Kg of cooper / aluminium and stuck at 4.0Ghz because not even my CPU loves me and i got bad luck because simply will not reached 4.2Ghz unless tha auto system decide to throw 1.475V
YAY!!
hijodeosiris
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Posted on: 10/15/2018 09:02 PM
HOLLY MOLLY, you are totally right 1.4V is TOOO much power.
Was checking DRP4 Hilberts review and the dark rock (which is bigger and better than fuma) is getting 82°C with 1.4V.
Just to think I´m throwing more voltage at my cooler maybe the fuma is a real performer and im just not paying enough attention. Gonna back home and emulate the same test as hilbert, just to put an end to this dilema.
Or maybe I will just order another cooler.
HOLLY MOLLY, you are totally right 1.4V is TOOO much power.
Was checking DRP4 Hilberts review and the dark rock (which is bigger and better than fuma) is getting 82°C with 1.4V.
Just to think I´m throwing more voltage at my cooler maybe the fuma is a real performer and im just not paying enough attention. Gonna back home and emulate the same test as hilbert, just to put an end to this dilema.
Or maybe I will just order another cooler.
reix2x
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Posted on: 10/16/2018 03:01 AM
HOLLY MOLLY, you are totally right 1.4V is TOOO much power.
Was checking DRP4 Hilberts review and the dark rock (which is bigger and better than fuma) is getting 82°C with 1.4V.
Just to think I´m throwing more voltage at my cooler maybe the fuma is a real performer and im just not paying enough attention. Gonna back home and emulate the same test as hilbert, just to put an end to this dilema.
Or maybe I will just order another cooler.
don't forget to tell us how that goes.. stress test some times can do crazy things with our cpu's test it with games or your normal usage
HOLLY MOLLY, you are totally right 1.4V is TOOO much power.
Was checking DRP4 Hilberts review and the dark rock (which is bigger and better than fuma) is getting 82°C with 1.4V.
Just to think I´m throwing more voltage at my cooler maybe the fuma is a real performer and im just not paying enough attention. Gonna back home and emulate the same test as hilbert, just to put an end to this dilema.
Or maybe I will just order another cooler.
don't forget to tell us how that goes.. stress test some times can do crazy things with our cpu's test it with games or your normal usage
Kaarme
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Posted on: 10/16/2018 10:49 AM
After the desolate years, it's certainly nice to read a guide with plenty of AMD recommendations, not only Intel. Now if only AMD got its GPU side on a par with the CPU, and we would be talking again. Officials cracking the DRAM cartel would be the icing on the cake.
After the desolate years, it's certainly nice to read a guide with plenty of AMD recommendations, not only Intel. Now if only AMD got its GPU side on a par with the CPU, and we would be talking again. Officials cracking the DRAM cartel would be the icing on the cake.
hijodeosiris
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Posted on: 10/16/2018 11:00 AM
t
Well I just reinstalled EVERYTHING from zero, new os, etc.
Stock setting in BIOS
Proceed to run wprime 1024 test. Hitting maximum 60°C
Proceed to run aida stability test, max temps 60°C
Both taken from latest HWinfo beta the option that says. CPU(Tcl/Tdie)
looks ok for me... now let make some OC.
Do exactly as hilberts guide.
-Type 41 in the CPU multiplier
-Let core voltage as "auto"
-exit bios and W7 starts perfectly (i forgot to mention im running w7 64bits)
Run same tests
Max temps 70°C.... wtf what is this magic. BTW when im not running the test hWinfo reports me higher vcore than when I´m runnig wprime 1024
Repeat all that stuff above reducing the voltage from 1.425V to 1.4125V and just that, do tno move anything else.
This is a screen of my actual idle temps / vcore
It´s runnint @ basically 1.41V
And this is a screen running Wprime 1024
I´m still having problems, my fraking Hwinfo gives me BEX64 crash error once i change the font size, and my GPU (RX 580 nitro+) the RGB lighting is f-- up. All the red / yellow tones do not work anymore, just blue and blue-green hue. I´m 100% sure it is not phisycal dmg, because while windows update was doing his stuff my GPU started glowing like rainbow (that whole color shift style), once i restarted the PC the GPU just locked in blue-green hue. amd trixx does not solve anything. I tried even doing a bios flash to a different bios i downloaded but nothng happened, The GPU simply is "stuck" with the software configuration or missconfiguration or who the heck knows. At this point i cannot give more fs becasue i have 2 weeks troubleshooting all this mess and at least now the CPU APPARENTLY is working accordingly.
After 4-5 continued wprime 1024 runs the CPU never passes 63°C proof
Now i just need to figure out why my pc constantly gives me BEX errors, why I´m missing icons, and why my RGB of my RK 580 nitro+ just went apes and the red-yellow hue is not working anymore.
(sorry for all the bad writting is 5 am and is the 4th day in a row a just sleep 3 hours and have to wake up at 5 or 8 am to go to work while i have to return home everyday to find out what i screwed either software or hardware realted)
I just played like 20 mins of crysis 3 @1080p with all the eye candy and did not pass of 55°C, tomorrow i hope nothing breaks again and can test NFS to see how it performs because i was having 90°C playing that game.
(BTW if someone knows a way to completely remove every damn possible "info" / "configuration" from a GPU would be welcome i suspect a driver or something software related is just messing up with the GPU and it just simply got stuck when I reinstalled w7 from scratch)
Edit: a wrong link
don't forget to tell us how that goes.. stress test some times can do crazy things with our cpu's test it with games or your normal usage
t
don't forget to tell us how that goes.. stress test some times can do crazy things with our cpu's test it with games or your normal usage
Well I just reinstalled EVERYTHING from zero, new os, etc.
Stock setting in BIOS
Proceed to run wprime 1024 test. Hitting maximum 60°C
Proceed to run aida stability test, max temps 60°C
Both taken from latest HWinfo beta the option that says. CPU(Tcl/Tdie)
looks ok for me... now let make some OC.
Do exactly as hilberts guide.
-Type 41 in the CPU multiplier
-Let core voltage as "auto"
-exit bios and W7 starts perfectly (i forgot to mention im running w7 64bits)
Run same tests
Max temps 70°C.... wtf what is this magic. BTW when im not running the test hWinfo reports me higher vcore than when I´m runnig wprime 1024
Repeat all that stuff above reducing the voltage from 1.425V to 1.4125V and just that, do tno move anything else.
This is a screen of my actual idle temps / vcore
It´s runnint @ basically 1.41V
And this is a screen running Wprime 1024
I´m still having problems, my fraking Hwinfo gives me BEX64 crash error once i change the font size, and my GPU (RX 580 nitro+) the RGB lighting is f-- up. All the red / yellow tones do not work anymore, just blue and blue-green hue. I´m 100% sure it is not phisycal dmg, because while windows update was doing his stuff my GPU started glowing like rainbow (that whole color shift style), once i restarted the PC the GPU just locked in blue-green hue. amd trixx does not solve anything. I tried even doing a bios flash to a different bios i downloaded but nothng happened, The GPU simply is "stuck" with the software configuration or missconfiguration or who the heck knows. At this point i cannot give more fs becasue i have 2 weeks troubleshooting all this mess and at least now the CPU APPARENTLY is working accordingly.
After 4-5 continued wprime 1024 runs the CPU never passes 63°C proof
Now i just need to figure out why my pc constantly gives me BEX errors, why I´m missing icons, and why my RGB of my RK 580 nitro+ just went apes and the red-yellow hue is not working anymore.
(sorry for all the bad writting is 5 am and is the 4th day in a row a just sleep 3 hours and have to wake up at 5 or 8 am to go to work while i have to return home everyday to find out what i screwed either software or hardware realted)
I just played like 20 mins of crysis 3 @1080p with all the eye candy and did not pass of 55°C, tomorrow i hope nothing breaks again and can test NFS to see how it performs because i was having 90°C playing that game.
(BTW if someone knows a way to completely remove every damn possible "info" / "configuration" from a GPU would be welcome i suspect a driver or something software related is just messing up with the GPU and it just simply got stuck when I reinstalled w7 from scratch)
Edit: a wrong link
Abc666
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Posted on: 10/16/2018 01:42 PM
Well done Hilbert
Well done Hilbert
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It's Autumn not Fall. Pls abolish the nonsensical US terminology.