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AMD Radeon VII 16 GB review (updated)
Posted by: on: 03/05/2019 06:43 PM [
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We review the new AMD Radeon VII. A product that has been talked about for quite a while. The basis of this high-end graphics card is VEGA64. However with a die-shrink towards a 7nm fabricated package and 16GB of HBM2, the card is released in an aim to compete with the GeForce RTX 2080; will it be capable to do that?
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BlackZero
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:04 PM
Awesome.
Edit.
Performance is mostly as expected.
Some numbers do seem a bit off, although the big picture suggests perhaps requiring driver improvements or even some kind of limitation in other hardware. Power usage, heat and noise are still not to the standard I would have liked to see, but improved compute performance is offered. Perhaps not right now, but the latter could potentially bring benefit to games.
Overall, a good graphics card, but I would expect some quick fixes from AMD Radeon if driver improvements are in fact the cause of the noted fluctuations in performance. Finally, as noted by @Hilbert Hagedoorn, current graphics card prices appear to be too high.
Awesome.
Edit.
Performance is mostly as expected.
Some numbers do seem a bit off, although the big picture suggests perhaps requiring driver improvements or even some kind of limitation in other hardware. Power usage, heat and noise are still not to the standard I would have liked to see, but improved compute performance is offered. Perhaps not right now, but the latter could potentially bring benefit to games.
Overall, a good graphics card, but I would expect some quick fixes from AMD Radeon if driver improvements are in fact the cause of the noted fluctuations in performance. Finally, as noted by @Hilbert Hagedoorn, current graphics card prices appear to be too high.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:06 PM
Laughing after reading specs table. A lot of people will cry and none will admit that their early comments were biased without base.
... time to read more...
Edit: Card is good, price tag is justified. AMD will sell all they can make.
I am not about to buy it. Still waiting for Navi as I do for few years.
= = = =
@Hilbert Hagedoorn : Can you measure GPU clock and card's power consumption under following conditions?
- Idle GPU for all cases and 1080p screens
- > only one screen at 60Hz connected
- > 2 screens at 120Hz connected
- > 2 screens at 240Hz connected
Laughing after reading specs table. A lot of people will cry and none will admit that their early comments were biased without base.
... time to read more...
Edit: Card is good, price tag is justified. AMD will sell all they can make.
I am not about to buy it. Still waiting for Navi as I do for few years.
= = = =
@Hilbert Hagedoorn : Can you measure GPU clock and card's power consumption under following conditions?
- Idle GPU for all cases and 1080p screens
- > only one screen at 60Hz connected
- > 2 screens at 120Hz connected
- > 2 screens at 240Hz connected
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:12 PM
So FP64 is 1:4? How is that the specs got misreported on that twice lol?
Card looks great in DX12.
So FP64 is 1:4? How is that the specs got misreported on that twice lol?
Card looks great in DX12.
Undying
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:16 PM
Interesting card. Considering its a Vega56 7nm this performance uplift is amazing. I im sure AMD will push 64cu 7nm chip later this year, maybe even before Navi hits.
Interesting card. Considering its a Vega56 7nm this performance uplift is amazing. I im sure AMD will push 64cu 7nm chip later this year, maybe even before Navi hits.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:16 PM
Best case is BF5 (surprise) where it is knocking on the door of the 2080ti and well ahead of the 2080.
Most cases its slower than the 2080 and actualy close to the 1080 in performance.
The light of hope is there but the drivers need to mature. (I'm still dumbfounded the AMD driver team can still launch a GCN based card with under-performing drivers).
The bad part is it spends a lot of time trading blows with a card that consumes 120W less power and the noise level at load.... I hope that's just a faulty fan and they aren't all that loud. Temps look great though (I would hope so with the sound produced).
Best case is BF5 (surprise) where it is knocking on the door of the 2080ti and well ahead of the 2080.
Most cases its slower than the 2080 and actualy close to the 1080 in performance.
The light of hope is there but the drivers need to mature. (I'm still dumbfounded the AMD driver team can still launch a GCN based card with under-performing drivers).
The bad part is it spends a lot of time trading blows with a card that consumes 120W less power and the noise level at load.... I hope that's just a faulty fan and they aren't all that loud. Temps look great though (I would hope so with the sound produced).
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:16 PM
That does sound like a rather neat gaming card too. I just think it's quite loud under load... might be a good candidate for non-reference coolers, if those come around.
That does sound like a rather neat gaming card too. I just think it's quite loud under load... might be a good candidate for non-reference coolers, if those come around.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:19 PM
It's more like an unreleased Vega60 at 7nm.
Interesting card. Considering its a Vega56 7nm this performance uplift is amazing. I im sure AMD will push 64cu 7nm chip later this year, maybe even before Navi hits.
It's more like an unreleased Vega60 at 7nm.
warlord
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:22 PM
Interesting performance. I only cannot justify that price for gaming only.
It's clearly a gpu for someone who needs 16gb vram and that huge fp64 performance for a mere consumer gpu. That's all.
Interesting performance. I only cannot justify that price for gaming only.
It's clearly a gpu for someone who needs 16gb vram and that huge fp64 performance for a mere consumer gpu. That's all.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:22 PM
Today is the day we may present you the benchmark review of the all new Radeon VII. VII as in fabricated on that 7nm node. The Radeon VII is a product that has been talked about for quite a while. With a die-shrink towards a 7nm fabricated package and 16GB of HBM2, the card is released in an aim to compete with the GeForce RTX 2080; will it be capable to do that?
Read the review right here.
Fantastic article as usual.
I think one of your phrases in the review summarize it very well:
Well, I feel this is a 499 USD product.
This GPU came too late and it's too expensive to compete on the gaming GPU market VS RTX 2080 performance.
At the same price there is no valid reason to buy this GPU instead of a RTX 2080 for gaming.
Today is the day we may present you the benchmark review of the all new Radeon VII. VII as in fabricated on that 7nm node. The Radeon VII is a product that has been talked about for quite a while. With a die-shrink towards a 7nm fabricated package and 16GB of HBM2, the card is released in an aim to compete with the GeForce RTX 2080; will it be capable to do that?
Read the review right here.
Fantastic article as usual.
I think one of your phrases in the review summarize it very well:
Well, I feel this is a 499 USD product.
This GPU came too late and it's too expensive to compete on the gaming GPU market VS RTX 2080 performance.
At the same price there is no valid reason to buy this GPU instead of a RTX 2080 for gaming.
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:23 PM
Well, we shall see in two years from now, what's faster: 2080, 1080TI or Radeon VII
Well, we shall see in two years from now, what's faster: 2080, 1080TI or Radeon VII
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:24 PM
really concerning..... 300 watts at 7nm is a big issue for AMD and these noise levels.....
I think this card is decent but I'd still go with RTX 2080.
really concerning..... 300 watts at 7nm is a big issue for AMD and these noise levels.....
I think this card is decent but I'd still go with RTX 2080.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:26 PM
OMG That's a Beast !!!
THX H.H.
PS.
As i said, It will be Faster and consumes less tW.
BIOS Board power is set (like in V64) at 264tW.
Now UV and OC HBM2 (>1TB/s lol) and give -8% POW -> You end up with same FPS but 220-245tW
OMG That's a Beast !!!
THX H.H.
PS.
As i said, It will be Faster and consumes less tW.
BIOS Board power is set (like in V64) at 264tW.
Now UV and OC HBM2 (>1TB/s lol) and give -8% POW -> You end up with same FPS but 220-245tW
warlord
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:27 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Please sir, if you kindly can benchmark Resident Evil II. It's important as a key selling title for that gpu.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Please sir, if you kindly can benchmark Resident Evil II. It's important as a key selling title for that gpu.
Undying
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:31 PM
Many reviewers said driver is not ready yet performance and overclocking will improve.
Many reviewers said driver is not ready yet performance and overclocking will improve.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:32 PM
Weird numbers in bf. 1 place in 1080p, and drops as soon resolution goes up. Would think it would do better in higher res.
Cards performes about what i expected after watcing and reading about it, wondering if future drivers will bumb up performance. Or are they allready at the limit of what the card can do?
If i should buy a new gpu today i would consider 1080ti. Seems to be the king when it comes to price vs performance. If i shit money, 2080ti is the king and a very nice card. To bad its pricerange is batshit crazy.... o_O
If amd droped price 50-100usd i think it would be a better deal. Have mixed feelings about this card, price is my main issue considering performance..
Weird numbers in bf. 1 place in 1080p, and drops as soon resolution goes up. Would think it would do better in higher res.
Cards performes about what i expected after watcing and reading about it, wondering if future drivers will bumb up performance. Or are they allready at the limit of what the card can do?
If i should buy a new gpu today i would consider 1080ti. Seems to be the king when it comes to price vs performance. If i shit money, 2080ti is the king and a very nice card. To bad its pricerange is batshit crazy.... o_O
If amd droped price 50-100usd i think it would be a better deal. Have mixed feelings about this card, price is my main issue considering performance..
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:35 PM
Great review Boss , thank you. I feel they need good drivers asap as the performance is all over the place , once the drivers are more optimized we shall see the true performance , meanwhile it looks like the card it is doing great at high resolutions and that HBM huge frame buffer and bandwidth surely helps a lot there. Price is a little on the high side.
Great review Boss , thank you. I feel they need good drivers asap as the performance is all over the place , once the drivers are more optimized we shall see the true performance , meanwhile it looks like the card it is doing great at high resolutions and that HBM huge frame buffer and bandwidth surely helps a lot there. Price is a little on the high side.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:36 PM
What a noisy bastard...
TPU reports the same.
What a noisy bastard...
TPU reports the same.
Undying
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:38 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn RE2 remake and upcoming Anthem/Metro games will be nice include instead of some older ones on the list there.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn RE2 remake and upcoming Anthem/Metro games will be nice include instead of some older ones on the list there.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:40 PM
What a noisy bastard...
TPU reports the same.
Noissy because the Gpu have bad contact with copper base.
Nice review,Mr.Hilbert.After 6 months of better drivers need to be tested again,somehow.
What a noisy bastard...
TPU reports the same.
Noissy because the Gpu have bad contact with copper base.
Nice review,Mr.Hilbert.After 6 months of better drivers need to be tested again,somehow.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:40 PM
The performance seems all over the place. Could be the drivers. Overall though, it loses to the 2080 more often than not and costs the same. It's loud and consumes more power than the 2080ti. Pretty poor from AMD, should be cheaper.
The performance seems all over the place. Could be the drivers. Overall though, it loses to the 2080 more often than not and costs the same. It's loud and consumes more power than the 2080ti. Pretty poor from AMD, should be cheaper.
HardwareCaps
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:41 PM
Are you serious? no way. they are losing money on this product....
Interesting card. Considering its a Vega56 7nm this performance uplift is amazing. I im sure AMD will push 64cu 7nm chip later this year, maybe even before Navi hits.
Are you serious? no way. they are losing money on this product....
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:51 PM
Ah it's good to have competition, so that you can know exactly how much to overprice something after they have already done it.
Ah it's good to have competition, so that you can know exactly how much to overprice something after they have already done it.
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:52 PM
A very nice card with a "crappy" cooler, curious to see this card with a good custom cooler. But most of all, this card is too expensive just like the 2080 and 2080Ti... The prices of high end cards are simply ridiculous!
Great review as always Hilbert!
A very nice card with a "crappy" cooler, curious to see this card with a good custom cooler. But most of all, this card is too expensive just like the 2080 and 2080Ti... The prices of high end cards are simply ridiculous!
Great review as always Hilbert!
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Posted on: 02/07/2019 03:54 PM
Thanks H, nice review. Seems if its one thing AMD is consistent at, is its inconsistency in performance. Finally an AMD ref cooled card that is not hot and loud, it is now cool and loud. Guess some tinkering with fan speeds is in order. I think this card will sell well, even at its price. For those with strong faith in AMDs fine wine driver development, it'll be a buy for sure.
Thanks H, nice review. Seems if its one thing AMD is consistent at, is its inconsistency in performance. Finally an AMD ref cooled card that is not hot and loud, it is now cool and loud. Guess some tinkering with fan speeds is in order. I think this card will sell well, even at its price. For those with strong faith in AMDs fine wine driver development, it'll be a buy for sure.
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Thanks!