ZEN4 AM5 LGA1718 pin package shown, more PCIe lanes and possible higher TDP
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Silva
I think you're missing the big picture: that 5600X allow the RTX3080 to push more frames out in most of the tested games.
Now if you refer to pricing well, that's another story alright: I'd get the 11400F over 5600X any day as AMD is just overpriced af.
Truder
It's also worth noting that the 5600X uses more power than either of those Intel CPUs hence the higher heat. Now compare that to the K model CPUs (and lets use a directly competing CPU... Lets use the same source for fairness...
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Oh look, intel CPU is hotter, imagine that, oh it's also using a heck more power too...
cucaulay malkin
none of these are a good buy
imo if you wanna get a sixcore now,get it cheap or just don't
maybe the 11600kf at 225eur but still either go with a 11400F or 10700F.
you gotta be braindead to get a 5600x with 11400f at just about half the price.the performance difference is a couple of percent,the power is typically 20-30w higher so it's not as big a difference as on higher intel skus and spending this much on a six core is unreasonable to begin with,look at constant 70-80+ % usage in some open world games
in that video 11400 is limited to 65w,you're leaving a lot of performance on the table.
if both are pwr unlocked,they should be about the same.even with 65w 11400 they're close,11400 wins a few times.
Truder
AMD... 5600 when?
Agreed, prices are awful but such has been the case as always for leading products (and particularly for unlocked skus)
cucaulay malkin
i don't think 5600 is coming
but when it does and is priced accordingly,why not
Neo Cyrus
I did, I thought the seal broke, clearly I wasn't paying attention. I didn't use that much force when I yanked it out though, that's why it surprised me. I don't exactly use standard TIM either, I had Mastergel Maker on it which is like putty. Anyway, lesson learned, next time I'll try harder to break that seal especially considering the "Thermagic EX" crap I'm using now seems identical to MasterGel Maker. Looks the same, same consistency, same adherence, same performance, but a fraction the price on the evil Chinese market.
Silva
Consider trying MX-4, I've never had a glued CPU with it.
I don't remember when I bought the 4g tube but it was certainly more than 8 years ago.
Recently I switched the stock ryzen cooler for a custom one (I had cleaned the original AMD thermal paste and used MX-4).
After over a year of usage, when I released 3 screws the cooler popped from the springs tension, releasing the forth screw the cooler was free.
icedman
I personally like the PGA more than the LGA even with PGA getting yanked out of the socket with the heatsink almost every time for me I've never had one fail because of a pin. But I have had an 1155 LGA socket have to be scrapped due to a pin coming out with the cpu ( I have no idea how it's as if it arked and fused with the cpu )
BReal85
Actually AMD said maybe around the firsz Zen CPUs that AM4 will be supported until 2020. So they actually overfulfilled their promise.
Kevin Mauro
Not a bad idea considering most OEMs part out sockets as replacement parts, easier with LGA as the CPU is more durable and the rate of risk is reduced to the motherboard as opposed to both CPU and motherboard.
cucaulay malkin
that's an overstatement
they will,but just like 4/8,they may be borderline.drop a few frames here and there,with occasional stutter.
8/16 will be better,but 6/12 won't be that bad.they'll do just fine.
how so ?
last am4 ryzen 5000 cpu came in 2020.
TLD LARS
I am not sure but i think Anandtech had 1-2 burned pads on the CPU after some overclocking, so it might be possible to have them weld together.
Some of the thin PCB CPUes looked like the PCB was bending with large coolers, maybe leading to bad connection and a lot of heat.
Aura89
Though they are oem, 5800 and 5900 came out in 2021. Then there's all the zen 3 5000 series pro and APU processors that have been released in 2021. And its unlikely we have seen all the 5000 series that will be releases, and also possible there will be a zen 3 refresh.
Neo Cyrus
I do have MX-4... a 20g tube of it from god knows when. It's a bit less effective than the very high end stuff like what I'm using. And even though what I'm using is a pain in the ass to apply (it sticks to anything you try spreading it with but will not stick to the heatspreader) I like it because it can stay on for a ridiculously long time without losing any performance even compared to MX-4 which lasts a long time. That and as I said the performance is slightly better to begin with.
I wonder what MX-5 is like in terms of consistency... but I won't be getting any anytime this century, when I ordered Thermagic EX from China I ordered several to make the order worth even doing, and so I won't have to bother think about it for a long time. I doubt its going to go bad even after years.
Kevin Mauro
Do you know what confuses me? Why ASUS would bother building Quad Core laptops (for gaming) - even if they are 11th Gen - what a nightmare. It's a bit more than a borderline forget the TDP - performance per watt / core translate over to quad against octo the gap is wide. Just grab some side to sides over on those benches on Anand or ... something that still pulls tons of comparative benchmarking data right alongside each other. I just know Anandtech is a pretty known-good source off top of my head...
cucaulay malkin
not every game requires 6 cores or more
Kevin Mauro
I'll unpack it more - so you have the RTX 3060 and 3070 to complement it with. What you're saying isn't wrong, it's right heck I agree - I think the goal was probably power efficiency but then the downside became undercutting your own GPUs on average. Anyway - take them out of it - if you are a desktop user you can take away the power limitations and overclock (removing part of the bottleneck) boost your single-core performance and allow your GPU some breathing room less of an issue but I guess the averages may still be a bit rocky, depends on the game, the engine but most seem multi-thread friendly now. I think the demand of workloads has snuck up on us and we hadn't realised how much games or other work-intensive apps had been using over the past couple of years far as core count , thread count.
bluedevil
Hey they just moved the problem of bent pins from the cpu to the socket.
You have to be careful when choosing a b560 board for a 11400 as some have trouble with vrm's and removing the power limitations will not get you to 4.2 all core .
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/b560-power-limits-downclock-your-cpu-false-advertising.438117/
cucaulay malkin
there are various 3070/3060 mobile versions,some are tdp limited
Silva
Not like I'm complaining AM4 is EOL but rather 5000 are too expensive.
I'm exited for AM5 and all the new tech, its just hard to justify an upgrade current prices.
