Windows 11 test version reveals a new Eco Score for your PC.
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Sentenced
Yeah, let's see the eco scores of Guru 3d users - the place where people think that a 350 W TDP card and a 1000 W PSU is a prerequisite to game with dignity, while at the same time they blame the miners and the scaplers (rightfully) for being a$$es.
Venix
A 1000watt psu most likely is a good thing normally real and good psus are 80+ platinum or higher so if anything they will be VERY efficient.
Cave Waverider
Interesting. How does Windows know which PSU you have installed?
Noisiv
Will participate!
buhehe
Not necessarily - AFAIK there's a curve of efficiency for PSUs, which tend to be the most efficient around 50% load (varies on model).
If your avg gaming total consumption is 300W, opting for a 600-700W PSU would be more efficient than a 1000W one, given they have the same efficiency rating.
The difference is not huge, usually it's a few %, but it's totally measurable.
Ero Ruz
Funny that this "sustainability" feature comes with Win 11, that, how was it, demands you have a newer CPU architecture with TPM 2.0, UEFI and SecureBoot?
Basically sustainability for M$ is just advertising. Thanks for nothing!
On the topic at hand tho, I don't really know how everything is based here. Normally Windows would have to get power usage over an extended period of time to give a well calculated score. Either this, or they just take TDP values from manufacturers and call it a day. My 65W TDP i7-10700 (which ramps up to 220+W) will surely love this.
Venix
Yep 50% is the sweet spot more or less i will say 35-55% is a load to aim on your psu when you are running full tilt your system . It can handle power spikes in usage of short bursts boosts and has some leeway to add something more power demanding parts in the future as far you do not exceed 70% is my rule of thumb ! For example my ryzen 1600 and gtx 1060 get powered by a Corsair tx 550w (80+gold) my consumption at worst full tilt is about 250 watts i do not oc anymore . And i can easily throw in a 5800 and a 3060ti and be fine , especially when my plan for the 3060ti (if ever get sold near msrp) is to undervolt i much prefer to have 97% of the performance for 70% of the consumption , than almost doubling the consumption for maybe a 10% extra perf ! 😛
Jcegeland
Microsoft talks about sustainability while making Windows 11 require newer hardware because of the artificial limits they put on it. What hypocrites.
H83
Those are last years requirements.
In 2022, a 450w GPU and a 1200w PSU are the bare minimum for a true guru!
itpro
Eco stands for 'egoistical computing orgasms' in our pc "master" race. 😳
schmidtbag
Reminds me of the performance score in Windows 7, which became irrelevant rather quickly.
Being "eco-friendly" is relative though. While an RTX 3080 consumes a lot of power, its performance-per-watt is great. A Celeron is likely going to rank better for everyday tasks, but it would be very eco-unfriendly to do any heavy workloads.
Same sort of thing applies to vehicles. People think fuel economy is the same thing as efficiency; they're not. Efficiency is determined by how much work you can accomplish with a certain amount of energy. Generally speaking, the larger the engine's displacement, the more efficient it becomes. Larger engines use more fuel but a greater percentage of the combustion is put into mechanical energy rather than heat.
tunejunky
i agree with most everyone on the BS of M$.
but there is a method to their madness - their bottom line. right now in our current environmental state more and more governments are placing restrictions, warnings, or fees (or all of the above) on profligate energy use.
those self-same governments are also Enterprise class clients running (some version of) Windows.
this is pure virtue signaling, done so M$ can claim being "green" while raking in the huge amounts of money from governments updating potentially compromised legacy systems (Thanks Intel).
kakiharaFRS
if you don't use a double your needed watts psu you already failed at it and judging from your comment you clearly do
the only reason not to is when you can't even buy them, a psu is like a car engine you don't drive it to the red line all the time, it's best efficiency is around 50% usage
the watts on a psu are it's max value (which is fake currently and why they need to remake new ones for the su)
there's no loss to have a higher psu than you need, it's actually better for eco, and also to not destroy your several thousands hardware, undersized psu = dead videocard and motherboard
it's a mistake you only do once, lucky me only a gtx 780 died years ago, would be awful in 2022
edit : in one of recent Linus Intel tech upgrade Alex explains some of his usb ports on the motherboard don't work anymore and he can't use 1 memory slot+dead memory stick, that's also a typical PSU voltage/current surge damage that's what I had when my cheap psu exploded with a BANG, gpu was dead but motherboard wasn't working right too
aufkrawall2
Generous PSU capacity means longer life and thus less e-waste. Also gamers usually don't draw much power 24/7. One amateur miner likely pollutes environment much more than many PC gamers combined.
TimmyP
Winsat score is not irrelevant even today. Many use cases.
schmidtbag
Name 1.
Anything it can test is either:
A. Inconclusive, because it doesn't give you enough details to diagnose performance issues.
B. Too late, because the only way it can tell you something is inadequate is after you already bought the computer/parts.
C. Misleading, because what it might rank highly could still be woefully insufficient for certain programs/games. What it might rank poorly is plenty good enough for grandma to play solitaire or write emails, leading her to believe she needs to buy a more expensive system.
D. Blatantly obvious, because if Windows is struggling or outright failing to do basic tasks, you know something isn't meeting the required specs. Most people aren't going to know to run this tool to find out what that is.
DrearierSpider
So they're trying to extend ESG scores from corporations down to individuals? No surprises there.
barbacot
Yep!
There is a trend for "green" now in the it world but from the color of $$$ - everything is so expensive that you need a lot of "green" ($$$) to buy it...so: more expensive components == "green" PC...
Wrinkly
I'm just assembling a 3080/12900k build. I don't want to know my ECO score!!!
On the upside, I went with the BeQuiet! Dark Power 12 1000W Titanium.
I'm undervolting 😛
Agonist
Sounds like you are mad you aren't really one of us.
You sound like one of those pompous pr***s with a Prius yelling and people with sports cars.
They game with their 390 and 1000w psu because they want and can.
In fact, ill fire up my 300w 6800xt and 1000w psu while flipping you off and enjoy my glorious 1440p Ultrawide.
