Well its pretty obvious that Covid pushed more people become "gamers". There is so much propaganda to force you in this beta telemetry OS that none of these usually newbie/inexperienced users are escaping. Heck your new pc has !FREE! win 10 even on 1.6ghz i5 base freq laptop pc that makes it crawl kek but yea slap that a cheap ass fast SSD and your are good to go 😉. Steam is reporting 96% are running windows 10 x64 despite 95% of its games are DX9 and perfectly fine playable on w7. Numbers also increase because none is making dx12 games for 7. This stopped 3 years ago with WOW and thats it (why?) They are brainwashing people that they need updates to be safe and they are hardcoding telemetry so deep in the OS that even hexediting .dll's can not disable. The only version that is worth, only in matter of stability, from this crap OS is LTSC and that comes pre bundled with spyware too. I even wonder why this news title "Windows 10 runs on 1.3 billion devices" exists as a news on this site ...Oh w8 scroll a bit down voilà! Oh scroll a tad bit more! Ok wat? I recently became a member but this site had more meaningfull news 10 years ago that I started monitoring it. Ok now you can call me a conspiracist and Ignore what I just wrote (;

Woke up at the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Woke up at the wrong side of the bed this morning?

I dont sleep at sides its bad for shoulders.. I prefer back sleeping 😉 Which side are you sleeping?

Count in everyone that is using Ryzen and was forced to move to Windows 10 because of the instability of Windows 7. I was literally force to start using Windows 10. I hate it, of course. Windwows 7 is the best OS from Microsoft. It is a shame that the instability issues were never addressed.

Can't say i have had any real issues with W10, there was the whole "Bill Gates is watching you poo and selling it" stuff back in the day, but anti spybot solved that and W10 works for me with no issues, and i have VR HMDs and software on my PC which can be very flaky at times, but W10 still seems to work as intended for me anyway, so i can't really complain to be honest.

Teo_:

Well its pretty obvious that Covid pushed more people become "gamers". There is so much propaganda to force you in this beta telemetry OS that none of these usually newbie/inexperienced users are escaping. Heck your new pc has !FREE! win 10 even on 1.6ghz i5 base freq laptop pc that makes it crawl kek but yea slap that a cheap ass fast SSD and your are good to go 😉. Steam is reporting 96% are running windows 10 x64 despite 95% of its games are DX9 and perfectly fine playable on w7. Numbers also increase because none is making dx12 games for 7. This stopped 3 years ago with WOW and thats it (why?) They are brainwashing people that they need updates to be safe and they are hardcoding telemetry so deep in the OS that even hexediting .dll's can not disable. The only version that is worth, only in matter of stability, from this crap OS is LTSC and that comes pre bundled with spyware too. I even wonder why this news title "Windows 10 runs on 1.3 billion devices" exists as a news on this site ...Oh w8 scroll a bit down voilà! Oh scroll a tad bit more! Ok wat? I recently became a member but this site had more meaningfull news 10 years ago that I started monitoring it. Ok now you can call me a conspiracist and Ignore what I just wrote (;

I hear they got iMac on sale this week.

It's planned and forceful transfer to Windows 10. Everyone should remember that. Nobody was forced to move from Windows XP to Windows 7 on the other hand as they were both equally capable, with W7 being more stable and while providing newer DirceX API for the new games. And the new API really had enourmous visible improvements over the predecessor. The transfer of users from WXP to W7 was natural. I can not say that for W10. Facts. Everything that W10 can do, so can W7. Even DX12. BUT, as a Ryzen user, I can confirm that I know nobody that has 100% stable Ryzen system on W7. So it is not that Microsoft forced me, but forceful change is not voluntarily. The irony is that they count me as W10, but I am only because I have no choice. I'd rather exchange this p*ece of c*ap for anything else with proper user interface and decent stability that wouldn't treat me as imbecile and tell me when I need updates or crash randomly or f-ck up the drivers of perfectly working hardware. Have you heard of users losing tons of personal data after Windows 10 updates? Of people that lose the ability to use their computer after an update? And if anyone says again that W10 is a good OS I can just reply - if you are OK to be treated as an imbecile than I can understand you.

After going through greater lengths to create a custom iso using WDS, and even with some policies applied, W10 still ignores some things and does what W10 does best, it's understandable why some still " ancient " W7. At work, I use W10 because it's a required OS. But it's slowly stepping on everyone toes, trashing and deleting users data after updates. Windows 10 now runs on so many devices. It's a metric, but I'll say it. This number wasn't achieved with a clean fight. Users were forced to using W10. Speaking only for my personal computing, I abhore W10. I use different distros on my own machines, I am able to do accomplish all my computing tasks quite nicely, thank you free and libre software.

Airbud:

I hear they got iMac on sale this week.

Ahahahah dude some of your posts crack me up ! Bless you you make coffee spill out of my nose 😛 @zorandesign you know you can use an iso clean of all the telemetry etc right ? You seem to be busy being angry.

Teo_:

They are brainwashing people that they need updates to be safe and they are hardcoding telemetry so deep in the OS that even hexediting .dll's can not disable. The only version that is worth, only in matter of stability, from this crap OS is LTSC and that comes pre bundled with spyware too. I even wonder why this news title "Windows 10 runs on 1.3 billion devices" exists as a news on this site ...Oh w8 scroll a bit down voilà! Oh scroll a tad bit more! Ok wat? I recently became a member but this site had more meaningfull news 10 years ago that I started monitoring it. Ok now you can call me a conspiracist and Ignore what I just wrote (;

You're a bit naive if you think older versions of Windows aren't collecting your data too. If you use Windows, you better just get used to it. Kind of funny because telemetry is one of the few things about Windows that doesn't bother me. People have so much paranoia over being watched, but did you ever stop ask what exactly it is you think you feel the need to protect?

zorandesign:

Nobody was forced to move from Windows XP to Windows 7 on the other hand as they were both equally capable,

no they weren't.

zorandesign:

Count in everyone that is using Ryzen and was forced to move to Windows 10 because of the instability of Windows 7. I was literally force to start using Windows 10. I hate it, of course. Windwows 7 is the best OS from Microsoft. It is a shame that the instability issues were never addressed.

I've used Windows 7 across 2 Ryzen CPUs and haven't had an issue with stability at all. A 2600x and a 3600XT. (Although took a bit more effort for the XT). In fact, sad as this may be. This Windows 7 install actually originates from around 12/2010 with that old ancient beast the i7-950. I haven't had any issues that weren't solveable when migrating the OS across 3 generations of CPU hardware. 5 generations of GPUs, migrations to multiple different hard drives, two sound cards (both installed currently even with different purposes),etc. I have a second drive set up for Windows 10 for when I need to use that as well. (For the number of games that use things that Windows 7 is not compatible with. Mafia 1 remake,DX12 as meh as it is,Special K) A lot of things about W10 still irritate me a lot. (Thankfully OpenShell helps with some). But we could be here for eternity talking about all of that nonsense...aside from stuff like Full Screen Optimizations that you can't truly disable and with some games disabling it doesn't even work. Or not being able to disable desktop compositing...Or the whole "Windows is a service", or every damn update causing some kind of problem for games. (Meanwhile i've had no major issues with my Windows 7 install that weren't hardware related for 11 years now? )or...or...or.. I'll be uh riding this 3600XT for a long time I think. That or it will get to the point that when I need to upgrade that badly i'll have to build a new PC and migrate my W10 drive to that and keep the 50lb behemoth (In this awfully overbuilt case) in the Fractal R2XL around just for the older stuff.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

... Windows 10 runs on 1.3 billion devices

.... means only ~16% of earth's population is using it - notta success story 🙄

schmidtbag:

You're a bit naive if you think older versions of Windows aren't collecting your data too. If you use Windows, you better just get used to it. Kind of funny because telemetry is one of the few things about Windows that doesn't bother me. People have so much paranoia over being watched, but did you ever stop ask what exactly it is you think you feel the need to protect?

If anything, I was actually surprised that Microsoft took so long with their telemetry. Apple and Google had pushed it for years with their mobile devices and it became accepted, then suddenly hell froze over when Microsoft deemed it was time. Ideally I'd like telemetry to be gone in everything but it sure feels like Google and Apple can do whatever they please whereas Microsoft gets slaundered when they do the same.

Yxskaft:

If anything, I was actually surprised that Microsoft took so long with their telemetry. Apple and Google had pushed it for years with their mobile devices and it became accepted, then suddenly hell froze over when Microsoft deemed it was time. Ideally I'd like telemetry to be gone in everything but it sure feels like Google and Apple can do whatever they please whereas Microsoft gets slaundered when they do the same.

What do you mean took so long? MS has done telemetry since Windows XP. It was relatively simple back then but it was being done. The reason why so many people are fed up with MS is because PCs tend to carry more sensitive information, and, because you can't really hide from it. With Google, it's typically as simple as just don't use their services. Android is open-source so if you really care enough, you can use a derivative that has the telemetry removed. Apple gets less flak because they're basically anti-competitor's telemetry, meanwhile Apple's fans shill so hard that it would be an honor to them if Apple collected their info.

You do admit that the telemetry was simple back then so I don't see why you're questioning it. Microsoft also still allows you to download free apps on their store without linking it to a mail account. And people have more sensitive information on their phones today than you think. Today people even have various bank/payment apps on their phones (which isn't great either since even Google doesn't guarantee more than three years of updates). And oh I forgot, facebook users complaining about Windows 10 is also a sight. Google has made Android so reliant on their apps that the average joe won't bother trying to get by without their Play Store. The theoretical possibility is there but in practice it's a chore. You do know this. Android is open source but only the enthusiasts care/bother with getting a custom ROM. And the only anti-telemetry ROM I have seen promoted when trying to be up to date is E, so I doubt the average joe knows of them. A possible risk here too that one can face if not checking beforehand, and I had happen for my father's phone, is that their phone might not have a custom ROM. And ultimately, if you really wanted to feel safe with open source, you'd need to be qualified to check the code yourself.

Thats it? I think it would more resting to see how many device run on Windows in general

Yxskaft:

You do admit that the telemetry was simple back then so I don't see why you're questioning it. Microsoft also still allows you to download free apps on their store without linking it to a mail account. And people have more sensitive information on their phones today than you think. Today people even have various bank/payment apps on their phones (which isn't great either since even Google doesn't guarantee more than three years of updates). And oh I forgot, facebook users complaining about Windows 10 is also a sight. Google has made Android so reliant on their apps that the average joe won't bother trying to get by without their Play Store. The theoretical possibility is there but in practice it's a chore. You do know this. Android is open source but only the enthusiasts care/bother with getting a custom ROM. And the only anti-telemetry ROM I have seen promoted when trying to be up to date is E, so I doubt the average joe knows of them. A possible risk here too that one can face if not checking beforehand, and I had happen for my father's phone, is that their phone might not have a custom ROM. And ultimately, if you really wanted to feel safe with open source, you'd need to be qualified to check the code yourself.

Using an Android phone without the Play Store is actually quite simple and not a chore at all. However, people are either to lazy to bother or simply do not care to install a different store front and therefore, carry their tracking device everywhere they go. Edit: And I use NO social media, at all and also do not use Windows 10 on my personal computers, anymore, except for one. (And that one is strictly for gaming only and only the games that do not play in Linux.) Objective local privacy and security matters, period, regardless of what others do.

Its important to note that most people don't use 10 because they like it, they use 10 because they are forced to and have no choice.

David Lake:

Its important to note that most people don't use 10 because they like it, they use 10 because they are forced to and have no choice.

read corporate environment, yes, and when MS Office on top... good luck!