if so, price war !!

When you add the DDR5 premium on top of the CPU, the price advantage might disappear.

Kaarme:

When you add the DDR5 premium on top of the CPU, the price advantage might disappear.

Atm no one need DDR5 high latency , ddr4 is more than enough .

A sub-$200 CPU with the single thread performance of AMD's flagship? Man, AMD are really up the creek as far as gaming is concerned. Totally blown out of the water.

I winder if this has a memory limit, like some previous i5. That could make DDR5 pointless.

If this puppie was unlocked then it would be a killer budget CPU for gaming.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Intel Core i5 12400F spotted in benchmarks, could offer Ryzen 5 5600X performance at that sub 200 USD marker. i5-12400F will be based on just six cores performance cores (and threads).... The To be released Core i5-12400F Offers Ryzen 5 5600X Performance for roughly 200 USD

11400f already does at 180usd/eur, 12400f will at least match 5800x.

mig_07:

I'd hold those thoughts until Zen4 launches. That's the platform it's meant to be competing with.

Sure, but we live in the here and now, and here and now AMD has absolutely nothing to offer PC gamers anymore. They're soundly beaten across the entire product line. By the time Zen4 launches, Intel will have Raptor Lake, so who knows how that will pan out.

I'm sorry - what? Zen4 is the DDR5 platform, it's not slated for Q1 2022, it's supposedly coming out in Q4 2022. Q1 2022 is for Zen3D, the V-cache refresh. Unless something has changed, and it went completely over my head?

mackintosh:

Sure, but we live in the here and now, and here and now AMD has absolutely nothing to offer PC gamers anymore. They're soundly beaten across the entire product line. By the time Zen4 launches, Intel will have Raptor Lake, so who knows how that will pan out.

Isnt about time that happen? Intel was beaten for a while now offering nothing but a rehashed 9900k for three generations.

The worst thing about Alder Lake is how it's tricked us into considering CPU-Z scores and Geekbench as relevant, let alone dependable, metrics.

mackintosh:

Sure, but we live in the here and now, and here and now AMD has absolutely nothing to offer PC gamers anymore. They're soundly beaten across the entire product line. By the time Zen4 launches, Intel will have Raptor Lake, so who knows how that will pan out.

Absolutely nothing? Such a hyperbole. By your logic 2080Ti is useless now that 3090 is out.

My only agenda is performance. For people upgrading today, Intel is the obvious choice. Now, even if Zen3D delivers a 20% increase across the board - something I doubt it will - that would only mean it still only catches up to ADL. Four months later. In a dead-end socket, with Zen4 and Raptor Lake looming - by then - just six months away.

Kaarme:

Absolutely nothing? Such a hyperbole. By your logic 2080Ti is useless now that 3090 is out.

Of course not. It offers roughly the same performance the 3070 does. If it can be bought cheaper than a 3070 then it's still relevant. Are the Zen3 parts cheaper and offering the same performance ADL is? Oh. I'm talking about buying these parts now, not whether they are still good performers for people who bought them a year ago. I'm very happy with my 5900X and wouldn't consider upgrading to a 12700K or a 12900K. That would be absurd. But for new system builders, especially gamers - AMD is now largely irrelevant, unless they drastically slash prices.

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mackintosh:

Of course not. It offers roughly the same performance the 3070 does. If it can be bought cheaper than a 3070 then it's still relevant. Are the Zen3 parts cheaper and offering the same performance ADL is? Oh. I'm talking about buying these parts now, not whether they are still good performers for people who bought them a year ago. I'm very happy with my 5900X and wouldn't consider upgrading to a 12700K or a 12900K. That would be absurd. But for new system builders, especially gamers - AMD is now largely irrelevant, unless they drastically slash prices.

Don't say "absolutely nothing" if you need to explain anything. Do gamers actually see those differences unless they have a really strong GPU? Most gamers don't have one, especially with the current insane prices. Even if the GPU prices were normal, most gamers would have a mainstream graphics card (which is why it's called mainstream). Right now it's impossible to build a proper Alder Lake system, at least over here, because DDR5 is nowhere to be found. Maybe a month from now things will be different, maybe not. Even then the RAM situation can hamper's Intel's cost performance edge. The CPU alone won't help you much, and I don't see much point in building an advanced, cutting-edge system by using old parts below the par, relying on backward compatability. You are right about the prices, though, but only if you consider the whole system price. You can't just install an Alder Lake CPU on an older Intel mobo. Of course marketing wise the current situation really hurts AMD, so they need to cut prices significantly. It's actually quite remarkable that Zen3 can still compete as much as it can despite being so old. It's actually older than Intel 11th gen. I guess the relevant question is why isn't AMD already releasing a new product? Most likely because of the chip manufacturing shortage situation, which doesn't affect Intel with its own fabs. Ironically enough Intel deciding to use TSMC for the GPU fabrication will also hurt AMD. But of course it was AMD's own fault to go fabless.

Ill stick to my 5600x. Anything intel is still laighable. Saying AMD has nothing to offer to games anymore is so moronic and stupid that I cant even laugh.

Agonist:

Ill stick to my 5600x. Anything intel is still laighable. Saying AMD has nothing to offer to games anymore is so moronic and stupid that I cant even laugh.

You are fine with 5600x but Intel has good offering now , no denying that 🙂

mackintosh:

My only agenda is performance. For people upgrading today, Intel is the obvious choice. Now, even if Zen3D delivers a 20% increase across the board - something I doubt it will - that would only mean it still only catches up to ADL. Four months later. In a dead-end socket, with Zen4 and Raptor Lake looming - by then - just six months away. Of course not. It offers roughly the same performance the 3070 does. If it can be bought cheaper than a 3070 then it's still relevant. Are the Zen3 parts cheaper and offering the same performance ADL is? Oh. I'm talking about buying these parts now, not whether they are still good performers for people who bought them a year ago. I'm very happy with my 5900X and wouldn't consider upgrading to a 12700K or a 12900K. That would be absurd. But for new system builders, especially gamers - AMD is now largely irrelevant, unless they drastically slash prices.

Erm, isn't this how it should be between blue and red for every generation they release? At least that is how I think that is how it should be, taking the lead over each other for every gen. is good competition, we need that for them to continue pushing development. AMD's next push should be just around the corner, hopefully they can keep it up the next time Intel bites back.

mig_07:

That's irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? Nobody looking at buying a 12400F is going to spend several hundred on a DDR5 kit. That pairing makes zero sense.

If this is true, the 12400F may undermined the 12600 sales as well.