The Core i9-12900KS 5.5 GHz has base TDP of 150W priced over $750
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Dragam1337
Wake me up when Intel does cpus with 10 or more proper cores, and no E-waste cores...
Venix
@cucaulay malkin they have literally nothing in diy market bellow the 5600x .... Honestly to me this indicates that they still pretty much prefer to sell epyc and higher skus of ryzen . I can not see any other reason they completely abandoned the sub 250$ cpus , the category that kept em alive for over a decade.
cucaulay malkin
greed.if their customers can pay 300 for a six core,why even bother.
like I said,the launch price wasn't as worrying, 5600x was a great performer after all. it's the lack of reaction to 12th gen that is really worrying - no matter what fanboys say.I've already seen people on g3d saying that their response to 12th gen is 5800X3D,and that it's adequate.Can you really be more delusional.
the thing is,intel has had 10400f, then 11400f, then 12400f and new,kickass i3's.they've been savage in this price segment,more and more with every gen.now 12400f can be oc'd and b660 has pcie 5.0
I wish i7's followed,same way I got my 10700F at 250eur.But 100-250 segment,where ryzen was exceptional before with 3600 and 1600af,is intel all the way at this point.
Venix
@cucaulay malkin in gaming it might be , i do not know we will see in the reviews. They do not need to do more am5 will be here in 6 months no?
Amd atm has 0 response to 12400 and 12100 , the amd's saving grace is that there are cheap motherboards to offset a portion of the cost. What it seems to me is that they do not have lower skus because they prefer to keep those chiplets for higher skus and epyc where their profit margins are higher .
As i said in other threads ....gaming on all those cpus is similar especially when you do not aim for a 3090 and 1080p
cucaulay malkin
yeah but those mobos are pcie3.0 on the cpu,and 2.0 on the southbridge.they're old,entry level boards from 2018.
yes they're an option,but with mobos you always get what you pay for.
I could go with cheap z490 for my build too,but I'd be locking myself out of pcie4,more numerous usb ports,usb-c front connector,alc12xx audio,nvme ports with factory heatsinks,bios flash button,better vrm,more fan connectors,more sata connectors etc....
fankly I'd prefer a mid-range chipset with high-end quality board over a high end chipset on an entry level board.
Monolyth
It's a bit misguided to compare products made before factory overclocking (aka boost clocks) and more effective binning became standard practice.
Those old processors overclocked extremely well because chip manufacturers were slow to adopt and standardize basic overclocking features.
Intel and AMD learned from the overclocking community. It took them awhile but these are the results of years of continued focus on delivering parts that boost and overclock on their own within acceptable stability, power and heat targets.
I may not agree with their pricing structure, but unless you go to extremes of overclocking don't expect results like we saw in the golden days of overclocking to return.
asturur
Those things with a bit of extra peformance compared to half priced cpus on the same line are bought for bragging rights.
You can't brag cheap, or everyone would do, and would loose meaning.
Bragging rights come with high cost,
cucaulay malkin
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075500/
tbh 10-12 normal cores is redundant for gaming too
mackintosh
I don't see this as any different to Extreme Edition CPUs from days of yore. At least as far as gaming is concerned. At least this one comes pre-overclocked and takes most of the (fun) guesswork out of the equation. Plop it in and watch your e-peen (and power bills) grow. I suppose I shouldn't talk, I mean I did buy the 980X.
Venix
Not always for example i snatched a b550 mortar wifi for 135 bucks , the vrm is good enough to take a 5950x no problem pci4 too where the board is lacking is io with only 6 usb but i never used more than 4 at the same time so i do not really care . And yes the mortar is sitting on a box the only reason i got it is cause of an rma refund 3 years ago i had 100 euros credit so pretty much i got it for 35 euros . And i had to take the credit before it gets deleted , while it would have been illegal i was really not in any mood to sue and do the whole song and dance. Almost any b550 board will do great with 65 w cpus and a lot of b450 are good for budget builts when you are on a budget pci3 is not an issue neither fewer usbs. The paradox here is that the 5600x is way overpriced so most likely a 12400 +mb is straight up cheaper or about the same . Am4 does not make sense for anything lower than a 5800x at least in my area where the 5800 costs 330 and the 5600 280 ....
cucaulay malkin
yeah b550 is awesome.
schmidtbag
Because most legit enthusiasts would rather just get a 12900K[F] and overclock it. The price difference just wouldn't seem worth it.
It sucks for customers but it's smart for them. They're still selling just about everything they make. What incentive do they have to sell lesser chips when even the 5600X is selling well?
I wouldn't be surprised if Intel sells every 12900KS they produce and it is an easy source of profit for them, but they won't produce that many.
nizzen
We are using threadripper for playing Cinebench. 12900k for playing actual games 😉
5,3ghz or 5,6ghz all core on 12900k doesn't matter in gaming, memory performance does (in "cpu" bound gaming)
That's why we are already pushing 7ghz + c32 on 12900k. Sub 50ns and ~115GB/s bandwidth is the new meta in gaming 😀
Alteady got a 12900"ks" SP 108 p-core. Most likely better than most 12900ks ever will be 😛
nizzen
10900k has 10cores....
4.5 years old 7980xe has 18 cores...
Wake me up when you have something useful to say 😛
TLD LARS
Wake me up when you have something useful to say 😛
It is needed to "play Cinebench" on the 12900k to verify a overclock.
Game load overclocking on a 12900k is much too easy a load on the CPU to verify overclocks.
You would need days to verify the overclock in different games and a sudden change of workload would crash or overheat the pc.
No game in existence can be used to test allcore load on a 12900k.
Dragam1337
Learn2read. I wrote "10 proper cores"... neither of the cpu's you mention have P cores with the new architectures...
nizzen
Learn to write full sentences next time. What you are thinking is impossible to know.
8 p-cores isn't enough performance for you? What is going to be faster with 10 cores + Cinebench score only? Higher latency, so worse performance in gaming...
I doubt you are going to buy anything anyway 😛
nizzen
There is no 100% stable, only degree of stable, in given enviorment. 😉
Like looping Cinebench is to verify if a cpu is stable LOL
Neo Cyrus
It's plain greed, and in this extremely rare case it's kind of, almost, sort of, maybe but not really, understandable... considering the wafer shortages and commitments they couldn't get around such as console SoCs.
Valken
100% with you on memory. But I want to see it go 5.5 GHZ full tilt bozo for academic reasons. Gotta validate it for people who actually pays for these things!
