Cryio:

What's this HBZ tweak?

r.HZBOcclusion=1

Looks real nice but we have been in a world of diminishing returns on eye candy for years. How long before ray tracing becomes exhausted.

HH - look into this. System Spec Ryzen 9 7950X X670E (ASUS Crosshair HERO) 32GB DDR5 600 MHz -> here should be 6000MHz 😉 NVMe, M.2. SSD

Undying:

And only 6 performance cores and 8 crap cores. 😀

I don't understand Intel's new nomenclature, so that means 6 Performance Cores (x2) + 8 Slow Cores (for want of a better term) = 12 Performance Threads + 8 Slow Cores/Threads = 20 Threads? Is that right?

mikeysg:

I don't understand Intel's new nomenclature, so that means 6 Performance Cores (x2) + 8 Slow Cores (for want of a better term) = 12 Performance Threads + 8 Slow Cores/Threads = 20 Threads? Is that right?

Yes, Intel started adding the so called Efficiency Cores witch are cores with focus on saving energy in not demanding tasks. So in practice if you count only the High Performance cores, i5's still 6/12 (Performance Cores) those extra cores should in theory offload background tasks leaving the performance cores for the applications/games. Best Regards, Will

Martin5000:

It will never be right. Just to many remnant code from gameworks lurking around in the background causing micro stutter. Game engine isnt fit for purpose for that reason. Needs a clean build without any black box code.

gameworks in an amd sponsored game ?

cucaulay malkin:

gameworks in an amd sponsored game ?

AMD is too incompetent to make their sponsored titles look good and run good, but their fans would love to blame NV

Krizby:

AMD is too incompetent to make their sponsored titles look good and run good, but their fans would love to blame NV

Neither AMD, NVidia or Intel make games. it's not their fault some devs are incompetent. At least Callisto Protocol looks really good, one of the best looking games of 2022. And after the last patch, it runs well. On the other hand, Gotham Knights, sponsored by NVidia, still looks and runs like crap.

Horus-Anhur:

Neither AMD, NVidia or Intel make games. it's not their fault some devs are incompetent. At least Callisto Protocol looks really good, one of the best looking games of 2022. And after the last patch, it runs well. On the other hand, Gotham Knights, sponsored by NVidia, still looks and runs like crap.

Open world game vs closed corridor game that last like 8h and cost 100mil to make, should compare Gotham Knights vs Forspoken 😉

Krizby:

Open world game vs closed corridor game that last like 8h, should compare Gotham Knights vs Forspoken 😉

Both use UE4, so the comparison is well justified. But still, you didn't get the point, that it's not nvidia nor AMD that make these games. BTW, remember when CP2077 was the biggest flop of 2020? That was an nvidia sponsored title. So tell me, whose fault was it? nvidia or CDPR? I and most people would argue that it was CDPR's fault.

Horus-Anhur:

Both use UE4, so the comparison is well justified. But still, you didn't get the point, that it's not nvidia nor AMD that make these games. BTW, remember when CP2077 was the biggest flop of 2020? That was an nvidia sponsored title. So tell me, whose fault was it? nvidia or CDPR? I and most people would argue that it was CDPR's fault.

CP2077 flopped? In your dream maybe, the game broke even on the 300-500mil budget a long time ago, it's already making profit for CDPR There are 20x more CP2077 than Callisto player atm, even when CP2077 is a 2 year old game. And don't get me started with Witcher 3 next gen 😉

Krizby:

CP2077 flopped? In your dream maybe, the game broke even on the 300-500mil budget a long time ago, it's already making profit for CDPR There are 20x more CP2077 than Callisto player atm, even when CP2077 is a 2 year old game. And don't get me started with Witcher 3 next gen 😉

I meant flop as in technical terms, considering the game was a broken mess at launch. Much worse than any of the games we mentioned up until now. And like I said was it the fault of CDPR or nvidia? And the Witcher 3 also has it's fair share of technical issues. Also a game sponsored by nvidia. Once again, was it the fault of nvidia or CDPR? nvidia also sponsored BF2042, one of the worst games of 2022. Was it their fault? Or was it Dice's? And once again, a normal person would say it's the fault of the dev team, not nvidia's.

Horus-Anhur:

I meant flop as in technical terms, considering the game was a broken mess at launch. Much worse than any of the games we mentioned up until now. And like I said was it the fault of CDPR or nvidia? And the Witcher 3 also has it's fair share of technical issues. Also a game sponsored by nvidia. Once again, was it the fault of nvidia or CDPR? nvidia also sponsored BF2042, one of the worst games of 2022. Was it their fault? Or was it Dice's? And once again, a normal person would say it's the fault of the dev team, not nvidia's.

No idea what you are talking about, I played Witcher 3 and CP2077 for hundred of hours literally on the month they launched and they are the visual powerhouse of their time, and still even now. Sure maybe they are broken mess on AMD hardware, but who cares 🙄, CDPR still make ton of profit

Krizby:

No idea what you are talking about, I played Witcher 3 and CP2077 for hundred of hours literally on the month they launched and they are the visual powerhouse of their time, and still even now. Sure maybe they are broken mess on AMD hardware, but who cares 🙄

LOL. Now you are pretending CP2077 had no issues. Come on man. And yes, The Witcher 3 remake also has a few. But I still pose you the question, for all these games, is it the fault of the dev team, or the GPU company that sponsored them?

Horus-Anhur:

LOL. Now you are pretending CP2077 had no issues. Come on man. And yes, The Witcher 3 remake also has a few. But I still pose you the question, for all these games, is it the fault of the dev team, or the GPU company that sponsored them?

I assure you that I played CP2077 without any issue, a week after launch date because I was away from home (patch 1.05). If you like to watch YT instead of playing the game then you will see bugs. I had fantastic times playing CP2077 during the lock downs too. Here is my own clip from the game, 1 week after launch See any problem? Sure it's not AMD problem that their sponsored games butcher the hell out of RT, just to make it run better on their crappy RT hardware 🙄. Oh well, Calipso Protocol and Forspoken can now safely join the ranks flippity flop games

Krizby:

I assure you that I played CP2077 without any issue, a week after launch date because I was away from home (patch 1.05). If you like to watch YT instead of playing the game then you will see bugs. I had fantastic times playing CP2077 during the lock downs too. Here is my own clip from the game, 1 week after launch See any problem? Sure it's not AMD problem that their sponsored games butcher the hell out of RT, just to make it run better on their crappy hardware 🙄. Oh well, Calipso Protocol and Forspoken can now safely join the ranks flippity flop games

Then you are probably the only person in the world that saw no technical problems with CP2077. Because at the time, everyone was talking about those. And even I, when I played it a few months later, after a few patches, still found a decent amount of problems. Remember BF2042 butchered RT, that was only for AO. And did almost nothing. What about the RT shadows in SOTTR, that had almost no diference to normal shadow maps, expect a huge tank n performance. The RT in Callisto Protocol looks much better than in these games, and several other nvidia sponsored games. But you are so eager to trash AMD, that you lose all sense of balance.

Horus-Anhur:

Then you are probably the only person in the world that saw no technical problems with CP2077. Because at the time, everyone was talking about those. And even I, when I played it a few months later, after a few patches, still found a decent amount of problems. Remember BF2042 butchered RT, that was only for AO. And did almost nothing. What about the RT shadows in SOTTR, that had almost no diference to normal shadow maps, expect a huge tank n performance. The RT in Callisto Protocol looks much better than in these games, and several other nvidia sponsored games. But you are so eager to trash AMD, that you lose all sense of balance.

Nah, I call out trash when I see it. And few people talked badly about CP2077 on PC, you are one of the few actually 😉. CP2077 PC got 86 score on metacritic pretty much at launch, only some fanboy would say it a flop RTAO in BF2042 is still working better than in Forspoken, DF just talked about that in their Forspoken review LMAO. PS: watching Forspoken review make me wanna puke for some reason, probably because of how uncanny it looks due to shitty shadows and AO

Krizby:

I assure you that I played CP2077 without any issue, a week after launch date because I was away from home (patch 1.05). If you like to watch YT instead of playing the game then you will see bugs. I had fantastic times playing CP2077 during the lock downs too. Here is my own clip from the game, 1 week after launch See any problem? Sure it's not AMD problem that their sponsored games butcher the hell out of RT, just to make it run better on their crappy RT hardware 🙄. Oh well, Calipso Protocol and Forspoken can now safely join the ranks flippity flop games

Truth be told for the last 15 year AMD always had the same problems in the driver department, i had Radeon cards for 8 years, and have used GeForces for 12 years, and in my experience AMD drivers had come a long way since then but it is still behind Nvidia in regards to quality, none of the two companies are perfect but i had way less problems with Nvidia drivers than AMD, just for curiosity I had a 8600GT bought in mid 2007 then later in 2010 upgraded to a HD 5770 both great cards, but what gave me a sour taste was that in July of 2015 AMD launched the last driver for the 5770 officially making it EOL. My older 8600GT got drivers until November 2015. This was even bad for HD 6000 users who got the card in 2011 and had their support dropped as well. My point is that AMD still had those kind of problems. ( Sorry for being off topic here ) In the matter of game optimization as i had worked in several tech companies i can say that this is the responsibility of those developer managers who always want to cream more and more stuff to the end product and give little time to do the proper QA testing. and that's why we see those kind of stuff, part of this problem is that now we have access to very powerful hardware so those who have grunt power will brute force their way into good performance. But real optimization can make even a card Like a 1060 or Rx 580 do well with good graphics fidelity even today. Hell just see how they, longtime ago, created a Resident Evil 2 cartridge for the N64... That is a testament of what you can achieve when proper care are put to make a product perform well.

Krizby:

Nah, I call out trash when I see it. And few people talked badly about CP2077 on PC, you are one of the few actually 😉. CP2077 PC got 86 score on metacritic pretty much at launch, only some fanboy would say it a flop

Now you are lying, there were many gamers and reviewers talking about the issues with CP2077. Just because you ignored all the bugs and issues, with the game doesn't make it a good launch. During launch the Steam forums were filled with complains. Today the game is much batter, because CDPR stuck to the game and released several big patches to improve the game. But that was not the case at launch. RTAO in BF2042 is still working better than in Forspoken, DF just talked about that in their Forspoken review LMAO. PS: watching Forspoken review make me wanna puke for some reason, probably because of how uncanny it looks due to shitty shadows and AO Yes, the RTAO in BF2042 worked better than the RTAO in Forspoken. But overall, Forspoken is a much better game that BF2042. At launch BF2042 was a broken piece of crap. Not only in gameplay, but also in technical terms. Remember that at launch it got a 26% user score. And even today, it still has a steam score of 35%. Forspoken has a Steam user score of 58%, a bad score. But nothing as bad as BF2042. So as you can see, nvidia can also sponsor crap as well, if not better than AMD.

Stop this fanboy war. Fact is that the Callisto Protocol has crap RT optimization after the first chapter. A RTX 4090 GPU usage drops ftom 120 fps with RT to low 40 fps with a 1-6% CPU usage, 40% GPU usage.