Some US states tightening power consumption requirements for high-end gaming PCs

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H83:

I also thought of that, maybe they are doing this to reduce the power used by miners although they won´t care anyway...
https://www.semiconductors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Decadal-Plan_Interim-Report.pdf
That report describes the growing energy usage of computing in less dire terms – as a limit to future computational capacity rather than a trend destined to devour all available energy. It notes that "the total energy consumption by general-purpose computing continues to grow exponentially and is doubling approximately every three years, while the world’s energy production is growing only linearly, by approximately 2 per cent a year."
SRC is basically saying by 2040 semiconductor power requirements will outstrip total global power supply. Due to that there is a large push by a consortium of companies to reduce overall power usage. The CRC used this as guidance in 2016 to implement a bunch of restrictions on PC usage. Since that time California in particular sees 7% of its total energy usage going to computers/monitors - this is simply a tightening of restrictions put in place in 2016. I don't see the issue.
alanm:

Pretty sure that is not the case.
It's slowing but not in decline.
Brasky:

I bet those states wouldn't pass a bill limiting house sizes to under 10,000 square feet. Typical politician's.
Limit no, massively tax the fuck out of them? Yes. That being said CA building code has restrictions on power usage in newly constructed homes, including requiring solar power installation. Various other government bodies have other power restrictions - an example I saw on reddit was EU puts a cap at 900w for vacuums sold after a certain year. These caps and policies mostly lead to efficiency improvements in the various items they effect. I don't see the issue.
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Why is Vermont doing this? As far as I know, they don't have an energy supply problem, or a pollution problem. In any case, this is a really bad move. I think it'd be fine if there was a tax applied to these PCs, where you're still allowed to buy the product but discouraged in doing so. The money earned by that tax could be used to plant trees, or fund a power plant that doesn't run on fossil fuels. But to outright prohibit the sale is just plain stupid. Both the companies and customers lose in this situation, and since each of these states except Oregon have sales tax, the state loses too. High-end gaming PCs may draw a lot of power but they aren't a threat to the grid. If this is supposed to be in response to miners, they aren't buying Dells...
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Maybe they should start taxing electric cars then. Pulling 5KWH from the grid (for many many hours at that) is much more taxing than the occasion 400W-800W or so that a PC pulls.
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scoter man1:

Maybe they should start taxing electric cars then. Pulling 5KWH from the grid (for many many hours at that) is much more taxing than the occasion 400W-800W or so that a PC pulls.
I thought this thread couldn't get any dumber then I came across this absolute gem, thank you.
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asturur:

Lol how free will is related? Just regulations, in europe there are regulations on how you heat up the water for pollution and consumption for example. Will push the companies to make more energy efficient producta
Eh, some regulations make sense given their payoff or are present to prevent powerful groups/individuals from screwing over everybody else. Not all regulations really make a ton of sense though and a regulation like this is dumb -- I have no other words for it. I can see why they said it limits people's "free will" in the sense that you can't make certain choices anymore without a hassle. Sometimes this is necessary, sure, but in this case? Nah, they need to find a better way to regulate mining if that's their aim. As for forcing companies to make more power efficient products, unless way more states hop on board this and other countries join in, it's not gonna change the design targets for PC components. They sell out their top end ones anyway these days and people will just go a state over to pick it up. It solves nothing as it is except to serve as a big annoyance.
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scoter man1:

Maybe they should start taxing electric cars then. Pulling 5KWH from the grid (for many many hours at that) is much more taxing than the occasion 400W-800W or so that a PC pulls.
actually they will give you $7500 free "tax payer dollars" if you buy an electric car. go do the math on that one. could you imagine a world full of lithium battery-powered Vehicles only!
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DIY + Me = not worried at all 😉:D:D:D
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Undying:

Oh, no....anyway i dont live in US 😀
I'm not in a state that's affected by the change, but I still think it's reasonable to upset about this type of policy. One doesn't personally have to be affected by something to be opposed to it after all and who knows if this sort of policy will be enacted by other states/countries down the line. If my state ever ended up implementing something like this, having to drive a state over for a prebuilt or for parts is something I'd do to work around it, but my god that would be irritating. I would bet this is aimed at crypto mining, but if that's the case I wish they'd just find a better way to tax crypto gains or some such rather than screwing over PC gamers.
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Airbud:

actually they will give you $7500 free "tax payer dollars" if you buy an electric car. go do the math on that one. could you imagine a world full of lithium battery-powered Vehicles only!
In my state they make you pay more in taxes since if you have an electric car they assume you're not buying gas and therefore not paying the built in gas taxes lol. I'm not super in the know on electric vehicles since I frankly can't afford one (the prices are mostly very high where I live and there aren't many electric charging stations -- I rent so no way to charge there either I don't think), but one thing I wonder about now that I think on it is how the lithium ion batteries age and how much they cost to replace. For example, a smart phone with a lithium ion battery decays over time and you usually will have to replace the battery in 2 or 3 years.
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Airbud:

actually they will give you $7500 free "tax payer dollars" if you buy an electric car. go do the math on that one. could you imagine a world full of lithium battery-powered Vehicles only!
Oh I know. I've probably said too much on here already, lol. Don't me started down that road.
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scoter man1:

Oh I know. I've probably said too much on here already, lol. Don't me started down that road.
yea, me to....wouldn't want to trigger the tree-huggers with facts. what about them California wildfires?...
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scoter man1:

Oh I know. I've probably said too much on here already, lol. Don't me started down that road.
Airbud:

yea, me to....wouldn't want to trigger the tree-huggers with facts. what about them California wildfires?...
Guys I think they're onto us
BlindBison:

In my state they make you pay more in taxes since if you have an electric car they assume you're not buying gas and therefore not paying the built in gas taxes lol. I'm not super in the know on electric vehicles since I frankly can't afford one (the prices are mostly very high where I live and there aren't many electric charging stations -- I rent so no way to charge there either I don't think), but one thing I wonder about is how the lithium ion batteries age and how much they cost to replace. For example, a smart phone with a lithium ion battery decays over time and you usually will have to replace it in 2 or 3 years.
Instead of just speculating into the ether why not just google "cost to replace electric car battery" and "expected lifetime of electric car battery"???????
BlindBison:

I'm not in a state that's affected by the change, but I still think it's reasonable to upset about this type of policy. One doesn't personally have to be affected by something to be opposed to it after all and who knows if this sort of policy will be enacted by other states/countries down the line. If my state ever ended up implementing this same law, having to drive a state over for parts is something I'd do to work around it, but my god that would be irritating. I would bet this is aimed at crypto mining, but if that's the case I wish they'd just find a better way to tax crypto gains or some such rather than screwing over PC gamers.
Well it's a good thing individual parts are unaffected then huh
schmidtbag:

Why is Vermont doing this? As far as I know, they don't have an energy supply problem, or a pollution problem. In any case, this is a really bad move. I think it'd be fine if there was a tax applied to these PCs, where you're still allowed to buy the product but discouraged in doing so. The money earned by that tax could be used to plant trees, or fund a power plant that doesn't run on fossil fuels. But to outright prohibit the sale is just plain stupid. Both the companies and customers lose in this situation, and since each of these states except Oregon have sales tax, the state loses too. High-end gaming PCs may draw a lot of power but they aren't a threat to the grid. If this is supposed to be in response to miners, they aren't buying Dells...
I wonder if it could be some kind of global problem that spurred them on. I think we're getting warmer.
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mdm:

There is just one regulation to be made to solve most of the worldwide problems, but no one dares - 1 child per family (at least for a century)! 😉
Ya, I thought of that a while ago. SOK someone can have my kid that I didn't have thank god.
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Reardan:

I wonder if it could be some kind of global problem that spurred them on. I think we're getting warmer.
Correct!....around my parts we call it summertime...But hey, give it 6 months it will be freezing here.
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Ok so if one wants a high power PC in these states they will need to build it themselves.
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KissSh0t:

This will just force the gpu makers to make more power efficient video cards which is good..... instead of now which is basically how hot can we run it before it melts.
This is my hope forces them all to make faster gpu/cpu WITHOUT jacking up the wattage to do so
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deusex:

And all states are run by Democrats. Interesting. They always get ideas that dont make sense.
AHEM! let's talk reality. reality is climate change. climate change makes hotter summers, which increases the demand for AC, which leads to blackouts and fires from transmission lines. these fires are raging now and care nothing about politics. indeed every area charred by wildfires in the last three record breaking years has been in politically conservative areas. and btw, California has more conservatives than any state except Texas. they have been eliminated from statewide office by their own incompetence not by any masterplan.

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