Seven games benchmarked before and after Denuvo got removed
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RealNC
Perf is not the only concern. What about games that never get updated to remove Denuvo? When Denuvo stops working (Denuvo server goes away and/or Denuvo itself is not compatible anymore with future Windows versions), your game doesn't work anymore?
See your various Star Force or SecuROM or Tages game CDs or DVDs from the 2000's. Good f'ing luck getting them to work. Meanwhile, the pirated, illegal copies of those discs work perfectly fine, so you have to break the law to play the game you paid for.
Denuvo should be illegal.
vbetts
Moderator
So pretty much, nothing.
I don't think that's what this video was meant to do. There were a lot of claims because of Denuvo running a sort of VM on the machine and taking cpu cycles that it was possibly lowering performance of games on a PC. People were making a lot of differences up, some saying performance could be doubled without it. The main concern that so many people cared about at this time as posts even on this forum and articles show, was the performance impact. As far as removing it goes, GOG is there any usually can get this handled with older games and has been.
Kaaskop
Can you stop trashing the 2600k.
Like I commented on his YT too, besides a few games (like AC:O or The Division), this CPU isn't being a bottleneck in many games.
So unless you got actual proof that this CPU was affecting anything besides the occasional CPU bottleneck in some instances.
In his video it ONLY bottlenecked around 7:30 while being underground in Agents.
So why would this CPU be not sufficient enough to handle such games and effect results, when you can clearly see the CPU usage in his video.
Besides that, his was even on stock speeds, while most that still got it, it's on 4.2 or higher. So 4 core/8 threads at 4.2GHz (minimum), isn't sufficient these days and could affect results? Let alone, not be "a match" for a GTX1080TI?
vbetts
Moderator
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600kthe-2018-review-time-for-an-upgrade,1.html
Not sure how he's trashing the 2600k? I mean he even did an article showing it's more than enough still in 2018.
Denial
RealNC
Kaaskop
alanm
Wish there was a non-Denuvo version of AC Origins to test. That game hammers the hell out of the CPU like no other game before it, even on pause or alt-tabbed out.
vbetts
Moderator
Angantyr
I think the one that stood out the most to me in the video, was Mass Effect Andromeda @ 3.30 mark. The Denuvo version seemed to use 3GB more ram, think that was a fault of the DRM or something they fixed later on via patching?
JOHN30011887
Performance aint the issue for me, its the connecting to a stupid server, so it has an online requirement and once those servers are gone do people really think devs will care and remove it, heck they dont even fix many bugs and other issues with games nowadays so why after say many years later would they bother when they will prob have many other newer games to focus on
There was also a glimpse in what could happen because i remember all WB games went down as there was a denuvo server issue that stopped people from playing Batman, Mad Max and Shadow of War, since then iv been very selective on what i now pay for
Kaaskop
Stairmand
Look, the 2600 was a great CPU, but it is pretty dated now and worth replacing.
It had (or the motherboards it ran on) no PCIe 3 support, no M.2 support hardly any SATA 6Gbps support, crappy USB3 support...… the list goes on. Stop defending it and realise it's had a good run but now it's time to take it out around the corner and put both barrels in it.
Kaaskop
airbud7
https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=39019&admin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1
https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=39023&admin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1
:D
for 1 or 2 fps?
Zhyr
A faster CPU may not affect FPS much, but it does have a bigger difference on other things like loading times.
vbetts
Moderator
fry178
Lol, right.
Because ppl that spend +700$ on the gpu alone, are usually running a 19in with FHD res..
Lol again.
And you werent talking about high fps, so dont bring it up..
Kaaskop
https://i.imgur.com/ddiEvjr.png
So I do actually keep track of what my hw does and notice if stuff actually bottlenecks my system.
The only 2 games I've seen it hit 100% and became unplayable was AC:O in the cities (but solved that by a temp OC to 4.5) and The Division, strangely with same settings as I had on my 770 (4GB) and where it didn't display that issue. Though performance on that game, especially the CPU side, is really wonky.
Yeah I see the occasional 100% in other games, like FC5 or FFXV, but that's maybe 0.5-1% of the time.
I should also mention that I'm still a 60hz user though. So I'm v-syncing all my games.
Sorry to burst your bubble there my friend, but I'm actually on dual 1080p monitors (27 (ASUS MX279H) and 24 inch (Acer V243HQ). My experience is from 1080p gaming.
I've always got stuff like RTSS running, secondary monitor displaying things like this:
vbetts
Moderator
https://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/76333-i7-2600k-vs-i7-8700k-upgrading-worthwhile.html
https://www.techspot.com/review/1546-intel-2nd-gen-core-i7-vs-8th-gen/
https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2109?vs=287
Now being at 60hz I could understand how you wouldn't see any bottleneck.
So you're telling me that multiple sources that are well known in the online PC communities are all lying, and one person has 0% experienced this?