fry178:

@TheDeeGee while above 60hz it gets smoother, most buy it to reduce input lag. usually around 15-30ms i common, but using Nv reflex/gpu scheduling in 10, and using input lag reduction, you can get it doen to 8ms and less (depends if its cpu or gpu). biggest gain would be a screen using some sort of sync, possibly reducing it further, but definitely helps with fps drop/stutter, and makes for smoother play.

JamesSneed:

AMD officially said it will be this year. I tend to believe it as it is the counter to Intel and timing wise its perfect for that.

TheDeeGee:

Ye, see i'm casual and don't do competitive gaming.

fry178:

@Agonist you will have 10 times higher (neg) impact on latencies from internet/server than anything. newer tech doesn't really need high fps anymore, if gpu capabilities are properly implemented . e.g. i can reach below 7ms/3ms rendering latency in Siege, all on 60hz, while my friends 144hz doesn't do anything better regarding lag. @schmidtbag nope . as amd stated, its for gaming "only", and 8 cores and up are usually what content ppl buy, so i don't see it making any sense for them to implement fps gaining stuff on (not commonly used) non gaming cpus like 7900 and 7950. if they wanted that, there would be 5900/5950 with V cache

Matt26LFC:

Maybe if its literally only on one SKU like 5800X was. Otherwise why would anyone buy Zen4 without it? They aren't going to release Zen4 then 1 month later release Zen4 with v cache almost everyone would just wait. Zen4 will be out before Raptor Lake, they wont need to counter. Meteor Lake is ages away, v cache would make a nice update March/April time next year if its across the whole product stack. If they do launch it along with Zen4 I'd expect a sizeable price premium, like £100 more than its v cache less counter part

schmidtbag:

I would hope they don't, in that it will add unnecessary expense to CPUs that will not really take advantage of it. The way I see it, the V-cache is really just meant to compensate for what otherwise could have been additional memory channels. You pay a little extra for the CPU but you can get by with only 1 or 2 DIMMs and still get plenty of performance with good latency. I see the V-cache as necessary for 8+ core models, since (generally speaking) each additional core will demand more bandwidth, and AMD wants to remove RAM as a potential bottleneck. Now, if APUs could get this kind of cache, that would be fantastic.

Matt26LFC:

Maybe if its literally only on one SKU like 5800X was. Otherwise why would anyone buy Zen4 without it? They aren't going to release Zen4 then 1 month later release Zen4 with v cache almost everyone would just wait. Zen4 will be out before Raptor Lake, they wont need to counter. Meteor Lake is ages away, v cache would make a nice update March/April time next year if its across the whole product stack. If they do launch it along with Zen4 I'd expect a sizeable price premium, like £100 more than its v cache less counter part

JamesSneed:

People will by Ryzen 7000 even if 3D cache versions are coming. The 3D cache version will likely be $100 more than the non 3D part. AMD are launching Zen4 early in September so we are talking 3-4 months later for the 3D cache parts. Raptor Lake should land around November which might be very competitive or even better than Zen4 in single threaded or low threaded workloads. So yes AMD will want to counter that with the 3D cache version very shortly after.

Matt26LFC:

For some reason I thought Zen4 was coming end of October and Raptor November, but if it is indeed early Sept I can see V cache variants coming December or early Q1 2023 as opposed to late Q1

waltc3:

I must have missed where AMD lost its "market dominance"...;) (Can't quite recall that event, *cough*) Anyway, I've been amazed watching how many times AMD has stocked and then sold out its 5800X3d CPUs on the US AMD Store site. Since the day the CPU was first announced, I've counted ~6 (maybe 7) total sellouts and restocks. Latest sellout of 5800X3D was just a day or two ago, but it had only been restocked 1 or two days before that! Once it took AMD 7 days to replenish the AMD Store stock, but then they sold out of those, too! (Checked again now--sold out!) Bottom line is that I think AMD is going to continue to sell every X3D CPU it can manufacture for the foreseeable future. The rest of the year is shaping up nicely so far. They seem to clearly understand how compelling the X3D CPUs are--I think the demand and popularity has surprised them a bit--exceeded their expectations.

Picolete:

Changes from game to game, Flight simulator seems to love cache

TheDeeGee:

I'm so glad to be stuck in the 60Hz range, games look smooth to me cuz i don't know any better (don't need to know either) and it saves me tons of money on expensive hardware.