I'm looking forward to the benchmarks!

emperorsfist:

I'm looking forward to the benchmarks!

Over a full month...

AMD personnel should go easy on memes and casual statements.

sverek:

AMD personnel should go easy on memes and casual statements.

So much scrutiny. +1 to AMD for doing this.

Didnt intel state way back on 22nm that they couldn't solder anymore due to the chips being too small and causing micro-cracks and what not? Somehow AMD is doing it all the way down to 7nm. People can defend intel all they want but we all know it was just to save a buck while increasing prices further.

Makes me wonder if intel is using TIM instead of solder so it keeps people from overclocking so far. If you want a really good overclock De-lid then your warranty is in toilet so keeps them from being responsible for, if they don't solder it keeps you from overclocking so much. Just a thought ... I was bored.

icedman:

Didnt intel state way back on 22nm that they couldn't solder anymore due to the chips being too small and causing micro-cracks and what not? Somehow AMD is doing it all the way down to 7nm. People can defend intel all they want but we all know it was just to save a buck while increasing prices further.

It was heat density and increased failure rates. It's not like its impossible for Intel to use solder its just that when you ship 8x the number of chips that AMD does the failure rate hits your bottom line more. Not to mention differences in architecture, process, solder used, may all contribute to differences in decision making on this.

The Ryzen Serial Killer is coming!!! This chip with a CLC280 and a Gelid GC Extreme will be VERY FUN!

SplashDown:

Makes me wonder if intel is using TIM instead of solder so it keeps people from overclocking so far. If you want a really good overclock De-lid then your warranty is in toilet so keeps them from being responsible for, if they don't solder it keeps you from overclocking so much. Just a thought ... I was bored.

Many retailers will sell their Intel CPUs delidded, using liquid metal, with warranty for a small premium. With a guaranteed overclock. Also, like Hilbert states in the OP, the previous generation also featured solder and the overclocks weren't groundbreaking and the temps also weren't anything wow. Still, nice to see AMD using the best possible way to keep the chip cool.

Denial:

It was heat density and increased failure rates. It's not like its impossible for Intel to use solder its just that when you ship 8x the number of chips that AMD does the failure rate hits your bottom line more.

Not really sure how that makes sense. If your fail rate was the same between companies, lets say 1/8th were defective, no matter how much money you put into it, the bottom line stays the same, 1/8th fail rate. If you can decrease the failrate by 25%, no matter how much money you throw at it, the bottom line is a 25% decrease. Company size and how much money is thrown into something doesn't change bottom lines, it just makes bigger companies see a bigger dollar amount, without regarding profits and sales, in the defective category. Percents and profit are what matter. If a company thinks they can save 25% of their failed chips, no matter how much money that is, they will want to make more money, again regardless of total dollar amount. The difference is if a company will cheapen their products to do so, quality wise, vs another company deciding not to cheapen their product, quality wise. Both are valid decisions, doesn't mean the consumer should be happy about buying cheapened products for the same or more cost. Again, companies choice, but consumers have a choice too.

This is news?

svan71:

This is news?

No, it's AMD personnel on twitter spitting memes and being edgy. Cause confidence.