fry178:

i sold my 1070, as my newer games would not be stable at 60hz (1440p) and higher IQ settings. the 1080 is another 200-250$ and faster than what i really need right now (volta is coming anyway).

Likely we won't see Volta anywhere until late summer next year. Without competition Nvidia will likely be holding off until Navi.

Aura89:

So...i repeat So...it's a good thing because instead of knowing what you are buying is a better chip, you now no longer know, and it's a toss up? Hm..... I'm sorry, but paying more for a guarantee, because that's what you want, is and always will be a better solution to "Hey, i want to win the silicon lottery, lets see how many times i can buy a graphics card and hopefully do just that!" Yeah....definitely not better.

Well we disagree,i am firmly in the camp of tinkering with equipment and enjoy lets say certain uncertainty.Pay to win was never my game,don't think that i am some kind of cheapskate but i love to lets say play with equipment and i don't see much value in the thing that somebody bins through the parts and sell me some "higher value" parts when it is basically same stuff,same number of transistors same capability just "higher quality" (maybe just a few 10s of MHz difference).

Well, if this is true, that AIB's won't be allowed to sell overclocked 1070ti's, well that's not the end of the world - as long as we can still overclock using software I see no problem in this at all. Although, lack of overclocking by AIB's might mean that you wouldn't be able to buy a high clocked version that might have a better silicon quality, therefore max overclocks might be a bit less predictable perhaps, more of a silicon lottery.

Robbo9999:

Well, if this is true, that AIB's won't be allowed to sell overclocked 1070ti's, well that's not the end of the world - as long as we can still overclock using software I see no problem in this at all. Although, lack of overclocking by AIB's might mean that you wouldn't be able to buy a high clocked version that might have a better silicon quality, therefore max overclocks might be a bit less predictable perhaps, more of a silicon lottery.

I'd call it the Pascal lottery at this point. Between the 4 1080's I've had the chance to overclock (mine, good friends, 2 clients) they end up no more than 50MHz apart on both max stable core and memory clocks. This is of course factoring in total stability in games like Forza Horizon 3, Wildlands, PCARS 2, Fallout 4 and Shadow of Mordor/War. Some chips hit their best clocks at 1.093mV, some a step or two lower, but without massive cooling and ways to break TDP/voltage limits they were never more than ~5% apart in scores and FPS.

The memory won't clock anywhere near the 1080, as its GDDR5 not GDDR5X. Also, from what i've been reading, there may be an artificial "max clock" even for manual overclocking.

BuildeR2:

I'd call it the Pascal lottery at this point. Between the 4 1080's I've had the chance to overclock (mine, good friends, 2 clients) they end up no more than 50MHz apart on both max stable core and memory clocks. This is of course factoring in total stability in games like Forza Horizon 3, Wildlands, PCARS 2, Fallout 4 and Shadow of Mordor/War. Some chips hit their best clocks at 1.093mV, some a step or two lower, but without massive cooling and ways to break TDP/voltage limits they were never more than ~5% apart in scores and FPS.

This means that if there is not a large variance in the silicon quality of Pascal GPUs (like you have seen), then there's not much of a silicon lottery going on anyway, so the fact that AIB's won't be offering higher clocked / better binned GPUs is of no matter or consequence, because they all overclock pretty much the same anyway. Yeah, it's not much of an issue that AIB's aren't gonna offer overclocked 1070ti.

Evildead666:

The memory won't clock anywhere near the 1080, as its GDDR5 not GDDR5X. Also, from what i've been reading, there may be an artificial "max clock" even for manual overclocking.

This would be horrible, we don't need restrictions like that!

Neo Cyrus:

What's the latest rumour of Volta's possible release date? The only articles I find are all outdated, many before the flop of Vega.

LOL If Vega flopped there wouldn't be a 1070ti.

The Commenter:

LOL If Vega flopped there wouldn't be a 1070ti.

Show me a Vega card cheaper than the nVidia competition. The cheapest Vega 64 I can find is more expensive than most 1080s which outperform it, and they're significantly faster than the reference 1080s in most benchmarks. However... the retardedly overpriced Vega 64s ARE reference cards... the lower clocked air cooled versions. The 1070 Ti exists because nVidia are laughing to the bank since they can stretch out this already ancient generation even longer due to a lack of any effective competition.

@Neo Cyrus meant it differently. since its not gonna be another 2y or so till volta is out, i try not to invest more than 1070 level, except maybe for a LC 1080, since i wont keep it for longer. @BReal85 depending on country/brand/which editon, prices are a lot different. and the fact the temps go up a lot for 1080/ti, anything bigger i get than 1070/ti will have to be LC, so difference is a bit more. msrp is not the retail price if u spend 5min online.. having a 1070ti that performs almost as good as th 1080 for less money is fine with me, especially if its still cheaper than the 1080. and anyone complaining about milking: are you forced to swap/buy one?! besides that, prices didnt go up vs what the 2nd/3rd biggest Nv chip was going for a decade ago (or more), performance has...