Review: MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X
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schmidtbag
Seems like the fan profiles are a little aggressive - this cooler has plenty of thermal capacity headroom, where the fan speeds could be dropped significantly.
Spets
Great review, surprised MSI didn't go with a 600w OC limit like Asus and Gigabyte. Was strongly considering this card.
TLD LARS
Yes agreed, but MSI needs to have it running cooler then the aircooled model or some people would flip out.
60-65 could also be the first boost step down on the ladder, so maybe that is also the reason.
Yesterday I watched a person reviewing the 6900xt, he complained about 50 degrees in 0 rpm fan mode and went on to set min fan speed to 1500rpm until 50 degrees and 100% fan (3000 rpm) above 50 degrees.
He then had to wear headphones for gaming.
Stock max rpm at stock power limit is mostly 1500rpm. some people just have very different and hard to understand preferences.
tunejunky
this is the one card to rule them all (at least til Nov.)
and by far the best thermal management.
two quibbles which = small change
1) why the heck don't they work with local (Taiwanese) tooling to produce their own waterblocked card?
the cost of the Asetek patent plus the radiator is too close to the cost of a separate waterblock, which then suffers from shipping delays (hello Slovenia) so arrives late with an even more aggressive mark up.
just asking...
2) the cost and method of cooling the 4090 leaves unanswered questions with the most likely answer being margin (i.e. "greed"). i'm absolutely fine with the RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X as it is the most logical RTX 4090 on the market as far as cooling goes.
even with the FE a 4 slot cooler costs a lot to make and costs a lot to ship so the call here for "big air" does not come cheap. i'm talking soup-to-nuts from all engineering disciplines and manufacturing techniques, plus the added weight to international shipping.
i suspect Nvidia is sharpening their in-house manufacturing at the expense of aib and consumers.
there is a very large number of factories that produce Asetek aio's under license - including MSI.
given the market price of cheap 240 mm aio's you are actually looking at a scenario where the Asetek costs less to make,
which we know would never be translated directly (to MSRP) as it's a premium feature.
Valken
Agree on the thermals for now but the one to rule them all?
Where is the HOF version?! That is the Bling Bling King to rule them or maybe the Kingpin versions... maybe...
tunejunky
they're waiting on the Sean Combs (P-Daddy) of the 1990's 😛:p
they're going to be glitzy but i seriously doubt they can beat the clocks or the temps of the Suprim Liquid X
i was going for Tolkien riff.
Solfaur
Out of all the cards I've seen so far, this is the only I'd take over the FE. I used to like "chunky" cards, but this time the AIB air cooled ones are just too much, at least the FE not so long as others. Anyway, supreme card, it would be my pick if I were to buy a 4090, though it will likely be harder to find than the air cooled ones.
Yogi
EVGA aren't making cards anymore so no Kingpin cards. At least untill he teams up with another manufacturer and assuming there are no trademark issues
rl66
Yes but the Gigabyte are way smaller and only have silent fan on the radiator only and cost 300 Euro less (this is a very good point when you pass the 2K Euro for a GPU).
kill007
I might be reading this wrong, but why is this so good? Compared to the competition it was about 1-3 degrees better and noise was still roughly in the same category, however the asking price has a massive tag to it.
I think in terms of thermals/noise it isnt that amazing and that's probably because the air coolers are so massive.
Maybe i am looking at this from outside US since USD is on the rise and that $150 translates a lot different here in AU 😀
Valken
I remember when hardcore PC users slapped CPU WC onto the GPU and just set the default heatsink fans to low for the VRM and GDDR. That kind of McGuyver modding was impressive...
Now to find a 50 USD or less cheapo water cooler AIO or block that will handle 450 WATTS of heat...
MAYBE EVGA will allow a limited run Kingpin Edition? or Release it under a different label? Hate to see a legendary product line go away like that...
tunejunky
a few degrees better on the test bench (in N. Europe) equals a hell of a lot better in hotter climates and a longer life.
but the $150 more is BS.
to be brutally honest, as an Asetek licensee MSI has a manufacturers cost (for aio) of less than $50 which makes it almost the same as a (big) air cooler so there is a stench to it.
but i like it best anyways
Benny V
I agree, it doesn't seem to be much of an improvement in anyway, aside from perhaps the much smaller size, if you're planning on running a dedicated soundcard, etc and need the space on the board?
For my next build, I definitely had my heart set on an EVGA Hybrid cooled 4080/4090 (RIP 🙁), so this MSI and the AORUS Waterforce are what I'm considering now, but I guess I was expecting more benefit?
At this point, I'll probably do it just because I think it's neat and like the idea of having AIO coolers for the GPU and the CPU.
Tsenng
1749$ in the US = 2500$ in Norway cuz of 25% taxes + the currency value against $....That is a hard hard pill to swallow but hell this card is like a dream come true. I think my 3080 will be retired for christmas. A bit sad since i invested in the superb Alphacool eiswolf 2 watercooling for my card with a slim 360 rad and all the goodies but man if i upgrade to this i basically get 100% increased performance in 4k wich is completely insane!!. Now that i play only in 4k i will still chill out until christmas to see both what AMD comes out with and if there are any special offers from either AMD or Nvidia when that time comes.
Robbo9999
These cards all perform the same and in terms of overclocking, so there's no point in getting hung up on which card you get. Just get the cheapest one that has good enough aesthetics and noise performance for you, and I guess they're all around the same sized card apart from the slimmer water cooled versions. (Not that I recommend getting a 4000 series card, because of the hiked prices.)
tunejunky
i'm a hardcore guy who used to w/c SLI 🙄
but really every part of my "good sense" rebels against any four slot card regardless if it's just Nvidia or later (doubtful) AMD. and not just for looks (aesthetics) - it forces you to design or rebuild an entire system, not least your case.
if you want one in an ITX forget about it unless you mod with a vertical install (and damn good air flow).
so you're left with M-ATX as a minimum for cases, even with ITX mobos.
as far as me i've gone from manually putting on the blocks to now buying them premade (w/ warranty:p)
rocking a liquid devil 6900xt atm in main system but it's going to go to my gaming rig when the 3dcache cpus come out.
before then i'll see what AMD has to offer and look at the shakedown of the 4080 against it.
there's a whole class of pc cases that would be really bad with this gpu traditionally mounted - like any case without a ventilated bottom like NZXT
TheDeeGee
Such a throwaway product with an AIO which is dead 5 years later.
NoLikes
There good value and bad value with market repercussion.
I got mine EVGA 2080TI FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID on budget for 920 plus 100 discount and re-invested those 100 to change the AIO system with the XC3 hybrid 3080 kit back in 2018/2019.
In mine opinion it was a good value with zero incentive to further the increase in price to anyone interested with the ordeal.
On this generation MSI landed a video card waiting to be catch.
Too bad it come with 100 watt over mine budget and there no defaulting BIOS within mine spec.
The price is also whack.
So, Thank you EVGA.
H83
If i was in in the market for a 4090, this would be my choice easily.
The only negative, is the weight of the card.
TalentX
@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Did you encounter any type of system crash or problems with drivers during the testing of 4090, especially on the Suprim X Liquid ?
