Phison: Enthusiast PCIe 5.0 SSDs Will Require Active Cooling
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Undying
Nvme ssd's
Pcie3 no cooling
Pcie4 passive cooling
Pcie5 active cooling
Pcie6 water cooling
Pcie7 liquid nitrogen
lukas_1987_dion
Understandable, even Pcie3 SSD's needed passive cooling otherwise I would see temps around 85*C, now I have Pcie4 SSD with passive cooling and sometimes (with the ''help'' of the GPU) they can reach 60*C.
asturur
i think that getting the pci 3.0x4 data storage was a huge win, and we don't really need to move further at this speed, when everything else is bottlnecked by shortages and prices.
Give me an affordable 2tb 3GB/s read/write disk.
hamltnblue
Agreed.
If the technology isn't able to run at cooler temps/lower power draw, it simply isn't ready. These days the answer isn't to find a solution, but to throw a patch on it. In this case cooling.
The M1 chip was a wake-up call to the industry. They were able to get similar results with less power draw and cooling to the point it works in a laptop and tablet.
We need to see this type of thinking practiced more in X86 cpu, the GPU, and unfortunately now storage.
Also Bring back TLC. It's a balance of speed, longevity, and security.
Horus-Anhur
Is Phison trying to up the ante against nVidia's RTX 4090?
fantaskarsef
Fun fact: most people have no or little use for speeds that force such drives to require active cooling on the component anyway.
BLEH!
PCIe8 - liquid He
PCIe9 - absolute zero
schmidtbag
Came here for this. Unless you're dealing with something very niche like scrubbing uncompressed 8K video, this seems so impractical and unnecessary.
Undying
What about directstorage and game loading?
nosirrahx
Yep, small file random IO is what you feel most of the time (which are still kind of slow). Massive sequential transfers don't happen all that often.
That Sabrent Rocket 4 PLUS firmware upgrade that massively boosts small file random IO is actually a much bigger deal than stupidly fast sequential, for most people at least.
schmidtbag
It could potentially be useful for DS under certain circumstances. For game loading, no, not really. Games are still rarely bottlenecked by storage speeds.
TheDeeGee
Agreed, Gen 3 is all we need for now.
nosirrahx
If game devs start building games with direct storage in mind (massive sequential archive files) then leveraging both the direct transfer and on GPU decompressing then yes, this will actually matter quite a bit.
This wont stop small file random IO from mattering though as every single thing you do on your system is impacted by this.
fantaskarsef
Good call, didn't think too much of those. But I doubt it will be used over a longer period of time, like having data intensive, long processes running that require full read / write speeds.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt games alone make too huge use of PCIe 4 yet, do they? Serious question here, I personally have no experience with that.
Silva
As already stated here, I agree that unless you're doing pro work (8k or more video editing) you don't need this.
Why go active cooling on something that should work passively? If you're pushing the components that much, the efficiency isn't there yet.
I'm already staying away from +200W GPUs and in the future I'll buy something even lower power consumption. IMO a consumer GPU shouldn't exceed 150W and a CPU 75W.
My RX580 is undervolted and underclocked to consume half the power for negligible loss in performance.
It's stupid to have double power draw for a few extra % performance!
PPC
How things are going its optimistic we will last until PCIe 9. So, a non issue.
Undying
Games are huge nowdays feeding the gpu directly from the nvme can make a big difference. I do hope developers make use of it Forespoken being the first tittle showed some promise even on sata ssds which is strange.
I also heard vram req. can jump exponentially since many data will be stored in it. We'll see...
tunejunky
the unspoken knock-on effect for us is the mobo.
right now with the power envelope of top Intel/Nvidia products you're looking at a mandatory $250+ mobo
and with PCIe 5.0 you're also looking at unusual physical height (active air-cooled heat sinks) that makes a chipset fan look quaint - and what about the noise?
so there will be water blocks (4 sure) available at even greater cost and complexity, and you know they'll be aRGB for that extra $30 of insult.
Mineria
Around and below 1 second load, which still is less interesting than knowing what SD can do in regards to continues streaming that causes stuttering, and even then it needs to be optimized by game developers to really shine.
With the right compression used it might even take some time before there is any difference that matters between current and next gen PCIe.
Somehow I think that even Windows needs more than SD, since there is little difference between SATA and NVME with games up running, some games even behave worse when on PCIe gen 4 NVME's.
Main advantage using PCIe 5 drives will be for major workload when working with raw images, video and heavy storage operations.
BLEH!
Start going backwards and require heating? 1000 C to operate? xD
