Philips: New 4K OLED TVs unveiled for 2021
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Loobyluggs
Not very good connections, and, pretty much a face lift from last year on the style and material used, but the underlying chipset remains the same.
Pass.
It is interesting that there has been a minor teeny weeny shift away from Mini-LED panels, and a robust push for some to even reproduce OLED tv's, like Samsung moving back to OLED...which I found to be really interesting. Samsung not using Quantum dot tech for next year?
King Mustard
Who makes the panels?
Toss3
I'd stay away from Philips - based on what I've read their customer support is horrible when it comes to burn-in; they just blame the user, while LG replaces the panel even after the warranty has run out.
kcajjones
The fact burn in is a problem in 2021 tells me we should just avoid oled completely. If no one buys it, the next thing will come along and replace it. Micro/mini led?
Ryu5uzaku
I hope I do not need to visit em. 2 years I've had their OLED no burn-in so far.
King Mustard
The average user won't see burn-in, these days. It's overblown.
However, I do believe the brightness of an OLED display dims overall over time, as it did with plasma TVs.
Denial
https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/KSgdN7NZ/real-burn-in-hdr-10-large.jpg
Maybe above 10% APL but for the most part it doesn't seem to dim over a few thousand hours.
Richard Nutman
Huh? HDMI 2.1 on 4 ports not good enough?
While Burn is probably not an issue, what I see most people complaining about on AV forums is the colour shift inherent in OLED's, like yellow banding across the screen and terrible uniformity.
Mini-LED is staying for the short term. Samsung's new OLED next year will be combining OLED and Quantum dots to create a product above the min-led QLED range.
In theory it should be brighter and less prone to colour shift compared the LG's OLED panels. Could be great, but likely very expensive.
Denial
I never experienced yellow banding - there are some minor uniformity problems and gray banding with older models:
My 2017 kind of looks like this: (this is not my picture)
https://i.imgur.com/ToEvqjL.jpg
But my sisters 2020 looks more like this (a lot less banding):
https://i.imgur.com/SGPl39w.jpg
That being said I'm pretty anal about screen issues and I've noticed it in maybe one or two movies in 3 years with my 2017 LG. In my opinion all the benefits of OLED massively outweigh that as a negative compared to other technologies at the moment. I will say they can still be improved in terms of uniformity and brightness (especially at higher APL levels) and I think long term MicroLED will probably come out on top.. but if I'm buying a new TV today it's 100% going to be OLED. That or a really high end projector.
Serega_Mih
LG display 😎
tunejunky
WTF! 50 watt amp on a TV? i mean even if they cheat (like car audio) and mean peak power, that is considerable heft on a flat panel tv. IMHO, the last tv with that kind of power was the old analog original Sony XBR (the one with detachable speakers) from the 1980's when stereo tv was new.
this may be the first flat panel with non-sucky sound. the rear woofer would be manually amplified by wall placement so it may be prone to boom when placed in corners. it actually may not need a soundbar...
would love to see it reviewed
Richard Nutman
Yeah MicroLED should be the best ultimately. But it's a long way off being affordable, and they can't even manufacture them small enough atm.
Samsung Electronics (who make the TV's) have struck a deal with Samsung Display to produce TFT's for them in order to shrink down MicroLED to 88" and 77" TV's.
In exchange Samsung Electronics will sell Samsung Displays's new QOLED panels in a new range of tv's.
I'm in the market for a new TV myself, but wondering if I should wait until these QOLED's appear. It may just be the store lights, but I find QLED tv black level's to be more than good enough, and way better than my 8 year old Samsung TV, so I'm really not that fussed for paying a premium for OLED.
alanm
I wonder if the Philips has a glossy panel. Not sure if all OLEDs follow LG's example, but the glossy coating imo is what gives LG OLEDs the "wow factor" when you see it. Just hope that someone comes out with a 42" panel one day.
tsunami231
They still make tv's?
I know that had some the best plasama back in the day
Loobyluggs
It has 2 x 2.1 and 2 x 2.0, same as last year, plus it does not have the latest USB ports, again, same as last year.
MaCk0y
My Uncle had a Philips OLED TV and in less than a year there were 2 horizontal green lines burned in. He frequently did the anti burn in method provided by the TV to prevent it because I warned him of the possibility. But even though he watches a lot of soccer and the green pitch was frequent on screen, I expected logos to burn in first if any. He changed to a bigger LCD screen instead, under warranty. He didn't want another OLED TV. Hopefully they really did improve in anti burn in methods.
Richard Nutman
A good description of QD-OLED.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/qd-oled-hybrid-display-technology-fully-explained/
Denial
https://icdn.digitaltrends.com/image/digitaltrends/quantum-dots-of-different-size-768x768.jpg
hmm ill stick with LG for now 😛
but really I'm glad another company is getting into the mix. Hopefully it drives the cost of these panels down. I'd like to see some infinite contrast computer monitors at reasonable sizes as well. Give me a 32-35" OLED 4K @ 120hz or above with HDR and I'm onboard. I don't even care what the price is.
I've had my OLED since 2017 and I play tons of games on it. Leave it on randomly overnight, etc. I still don't have any burn-in. So idk if it's something LG is doing to prevent it that philips doesn't or maybe he just had a bad panel - dunno but for the first month I was kind of obsessed with avoiding it now I don't even worry about it anymore. Newer panels/TVs supposedly handle it even better.
I'm honestly at the point where it's so much better than LCD/LED/Etc that I'd rather just spend $1500 on a OLED and replace it every two years even if it does burn in.
Loobyluggs
One of the things to do (to reduce burn-in, not to stop it) is to leave the TV in standby mode when not using it, because it has cycles to offset.
But they all have burn-in, according to Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, LG and so on and so on.
Error8
Exactly that. People are crying about the possibility of burn in, but most of them haven't tried one. Once you go OLED, you never go LCD again. Also, it doesn't cost an arm and a leg anymore, you can just replace it after some years. And as long as you don't play the same static game, with the same OSD all day, every day and don't watch just one TV sport channel all the time, burn in just won't happen.
