NVIDIA G-Sync Explored and Explained

#4722909

mitzi76

2013-12-12 15:03

yep could just make out a difference so nice vid there Hilbert. but still a Korean for me in the new years!

#4722919

ST19AG_WGreymon

2013-12-12 15:12

Page 2 has an error under "Are There Any Concerns?": "You can see the first monitors and upgrade kits in Q1 2013." Change to 2014?

#4722934

buddybd

2013-12-12 15:25

Was loving it till I saw the price...

#4722961

ochentay4

2013-12-12 15:47

Dissapointing review. I was hoping that you tested a game that can put many more fps, above 60. The panel is 144hz, I would have loved you to test Lef4Dead2, BF3, Call of Duty at 144hz/fps!!!!

#4722967

shymi

2013-12-12 15:53

Wow, that price was unexpected. Not to be pessimistic, but I think, that this won't be the next big thing or the evolution in mass gaming, unless there's a significant price cut. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the 3D Vision project the same - huge hype before release and after it... well not the expected boom...

#4722981

schmidtbag

2013-12-12 16:06

Dissapointing review. I was hoping that you tested a game that can put many more fps, above 60. The panel is 144hz, I would have loved you to test Lef4Dead2, BF3, Call of Duty at 144hz/fps!!!!

True, but without having a visual representation for us to look at, I feel like it wouldn't have made any difference in the review. Besides, I figure that once you get beyond 100Hz, its physically impossible for you to notice the slight lag of v-sync. Your eyes generally can't recognize any more than 60FPS, but the thing with a 60Hz vsync monitor is the lags are slow enough that your eye can catch it. I think the reason people like the 120Hz+ monitors so much is because whenever there's a vsync lag, your eye can't see it. So that being said, I think what would be a really interesting test is a vsync'd game playing at 60Hz, a vsync'd game playing at 144Hz, a gsync'd game playing at 60Hz, and a gsync'd game at 144Hz, all playing side by side. Don't put labels on any of the screens, and have several people (preferably with trained eyes) to identify the difference. I'm pretty sure nobody will tell the difference between vsync @ 144Hz and gsync @ 144Hz.

#4722995

nicugoalkeper

2013-12-12 16:26

I think that this is the future, but is a new thing and as all new thins the price is high, just wait and in 1 year we will see a the price go down.

#4723012

Ryu5uzaku

2013-12-12 16:41

If it wasn't proprietary nvidia would see it fly off the shelves and if it was a thing you can just add inbetween whatever monitor you have now.

#4723046

yasamoka

2013-12-12 17:12

True, but without having a visual representation for us to look at, I feel like it wouldn't have made any difference in the review. Besides, I figure that once you get beyond 100Hz, its physically impossible for you to notice the slight lag of v-sync. Your eyes generally can't recognize any more than 60FPS, but the thing with a 60Hz vsync monitor is the lags are slow enough that your eye can catch it. I think the reason people like the 120Hz+ monitors so much is because whenever there's a vsync lag, your eye can't see it. So that being said, I think what would be a really interesting test is a vsync'd game playing at 60Hz, a vsync'd game playing at 144Hz, a gsync'd game playing at 60Hz, and a gsync'd game at 144Hz, all playing side by side. Don't put labels on any of the screens, and have several people (preferably with trained eyes) to identify the difference. I'm pretty sure nobody will tell the difference between vsync @ 144Hz and gsync @ 144Hz.

Vsync doesn't have a slight lag, not even at 120Hz. It's noticeable at 120Hz but, of course, much less so than at 60Hz. Your eyes don't see in FPS, but it's been shown that people can tell even beyond 200FPS so yes, you do see beyond 60FPS. 120Hz is not only about improving lag, 120FPS feels much smoother, has less tearing, and has less lag. A game that stutters at 120FPS will not be as annoying as a game that stutters at 60FPS, too. G-Sync at 144Hz will have less input lag than V-Sync at 144Hz, and it can be noticed particularly in FPS.

#4723066

mannix

2013-12-12 17:24

The price is indeed too high but c'mon guys it's nothing new. When I bought my VG248QE I know it was overpriced. It's ASUS, that's all folks. If you don't like it just wait for Viewsonic, Benq, etc. With more competition the prices will get better quickly. And nobody noticed this is obviously official price list? Street price is lower, 20% lower: VG248QE official is € 300 + VAT, street price is € 231 + VAT Therefore we can expect around € 350 + VAT on retail, quickly dropping toward € 300 + VAT when G-SYNC DIY kit will become available. Something less when finally the competition will kick in. Great stuff at not-so-exaggerated price I'd say!

#4723070

omnimodis78

2013-12-12 17:27

...but still a Korean for me in the new years!

Alright, got to ask, what's the reference to "Korean"?

#4723094

Hilbert Hagedoorn

Administrator

2013-12-12 17:52

Alright, got to ask, what's the reference to "Korean"?

You can order and import 2560x1440 IPS LED panels from South-Korea real cheap. Old example -- I in the end ordered two: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=362514

#4723111

slickric21

2013-12-12 18:11

Also and this is a nice thing, with some nice horsepower like a GTX 780 you can enable much more eye-candy, as long as you stay above that say 40 FPS it's all good.

So how does 40fps 'feel' though in an FPS game. Is it still responsive, or is some lag detected ?

#4723113

zimzoid

2013-12-12 18:12

You can order and import 2560x1440 IPS LED panels from South-Korea real cheap. Old example -- I in the end ordered two: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=362514

I got one last week it's sitting next to my Asus VG278HE 144hz display so far I have not touched the Asus 🙂 ah forgot use the Asus for the mini map in bf4 🙂

#4723114

miffywiffy

2013-12-12 18:13

I'm really not that bothered, I've been playing PC games for 20 years and I've never noticed tearing... it's not something that is a big issue, especially one where you have to spend loads on another Monitor and own an Nvidia GPU. If it becomes standard, then great, however it isn't something I will give any thought into. I think Monitors are **** any ways, I bought this... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL42W653-42-inch-WidescreenFreeview-Smart/dp/B00BV6411Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386868623&sr=8-2&keywords=sony+40+inch+tv Amazing colours, better than any monitor I've ever had, including my old Dell IPS Monitor. I just put the TV on the wall and sit a bit further back and it's perfect, the blacks are black unlike 99% of monitors, the colours are great and the latency is low enough to where I have no ghosting.

#4723117

eclap

2013-12-12 18:22

hmmm, you don't notice tearing? tried opening your eyes? Anyway, I wouldn't take monitor advice from someone who doesn't notice tearing and most likely a ton of input lag on that tv.

#4723135

-Tj-

2013-12-12 18:37

Too pricey for a cheap TN panel, including tax 520€, right.. I rather buy EIZO FG2421 120HZ VA panel for 490€. ;P

#4723145

H83

2013-12-12 18:43

The concept is great but there are 2 big problems: the price, talk about a bad joke... it´s proprietary, cmon Nvidia you should know by now that pc gamers hate proprietary stuff, just look at physx... So how about selling that stuff at an acceptable price and share it with AMD? Cmon you can do it, it only hurts at the beginning...

#4723153

sykozis

2013-12-12 18:52

I stand by my previous statements. Just a niche product. As long as it's proprietary and vastly overpriced, it'll never be anything but a niche product.

#4723168

miffywiffy

2013-12-12 19:05

hmmm, you don't notice tearing? tried opening your eyes? Anyway, I wouldn't take monitor advice from someone who doesn't notice tearing and most likely a ton of input lag on that tv.

If I focus on it then I'm sure I'll notice it, just don't focus on it and enjoy playing the game, when you're sitting further away like you do from a TV it isn't something you'll notice as much any ways. 15ms is what the TV benchmarks in game mode on an average, not peak, which tbh is better than most monitors. All the time they advertise 2ms, but that's always a peak, then in reality it's more 20-40ms... I think on a 60hrz panel you only need around 16ms to not have ghosting and on a 120hrz monitor you need around 8ms on average. You get more input lag most probably from your controller, your internet or even yourself and how long it takes to decide on your actions.