NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021

tsunami231

2020-10-13 19:43

Fender178:

I wouldn't think so because Nvidia more or less set the prices as we saw them. If they were to jack up the prices since switching nodes would only alienate customers even more than they already are.

"IMO" they been alienating them for years with yearly price hike they been doing that seem increasing more each year, but still buy them still cause last i check there competing with the self still? which why they get away with seriously the price of gpu have past few as really jump to point where 1$ card are normal card that before only card there over 1$ was the titan

#5842317

wavetrex

2020-10-13 20:00

EspHack:

when china takes over Taiwan

In their wettest dreams. Not gonna happen. Maybe after US "empire" falls, sure, but until then, no chance in hell, WW3 would have to come before China gets their grubby hands on Taiwan. --- Anyway, back to the topic: NVidia F*ed up big time, they design such a powerful architecture, only to fab it on an inferior and poorly implemented process. Imagine if 3080 would clock to 2.2-2.4 Ghz and has fewer cut shader clusters, while consuming only 250W instead of 340+ ! That would indeed be TWICE the 2080, for real, not just in Jensen's delusions... !

#5842318

Fediuld

2020-10-13 20:00

pharma:

Well, at least Nvidia and it's competitors will be on the same node. It will be a good test on architectural performance and efficiency.

AMD moves to 5nm EUV with RDNA3 next year. 😛

#5842323

Serotonin

2020-10-13 20:14

After all this bs I don't care what Nvidia does. I'm buying AMD as my next card. I don't think anyone with a 3080 regrets having one with this news. It does give some clarity to those without one and with patience, to maybe wait.

#5842339

sbacchetta

2020-10-13 21:00

Is Samsung 8nm design compatible with TSMC 7nm ??? You don't change manufacturing process and foundry in the snap of a finger...

#5842342

Denial

2020-10-13 21:06

sbacchetta:

Is Samsung 8nm design compatible with TSMC 7nm ??? You don't change manufacturing process and foundry in the snap of a finger...

No but A100 is on 7nm TSMC, but it's a much different chip. Either way I think Nvidia is probably competent enough to move it's design between fabs easily enough. That being said, the original source for this news isn't really clear if Ampere is moving to 7nm. It says Ampere is on Samsung's heavily discounted 8nm process but Nvidia is moving to 7nm in 2021. Depending on how you read that, it either saying Ampere is switching to 7nm in 2021 or simply that Nvidia is switching to 7nm TSMC (on a new architecture) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjxwR6_UYAIWpfi?format=png&name=900x900 Keep in mind Hopper has been rumored for 2021. Maybe Ampere is just a short lived architecture and that's why it's not significantly different than Turing.

#5842343

Ne1l

2020-10-13 21:09

AStaUK:

If this is true, wonder what a 3080Ti with 20GB vRAM on 7nm means for the current 3090, similar performance with less power draw?

Yeah that will be a painful one for them to work out..., nurfing and just giving lower temps and power draw doesn't seem fair, guess it depends on what AMD brings to the table. Nvidia have loads of services and packages, I'm sure they can offer some sweeteners, if we all agree never to mention 8nm again.. ;-)

#5842344

sbacchetta

2020-10-13 21:12

Denial:

No but A100 is on 7nm TSMC, but it's a much different chip. Either way I think Nvidia is probably competent enough to move it's design between fabs easily enough. That being said, the original source for this news isn't really clear if Ampere is moving to 7nm. It says Ampere is on Samsung's heavily discounted 8nm process but Nvidia is moving to 7nm in 2021. Depending on how you read that, it either saying Ampere is switching to 7nm in 2021 or simply that Nvidia is switching to 7nm TSMC (on a new architecture) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjxwR6_UYAIWpfi?format=png&name=900x900 Keep in mind Hopper has been rumored for 2021. Maybe Ampere is just a short lived architecture and that's why it's not significantly different than Turing.

Thanks for the info, Hopper on TSMC next year make more sense to me than a refresh of Ampere rtx line-up, unless Samsung 8nm yield are really that awful....

#5842348

Cave Waverider

2020-10-13 21:18

sbacchetta:

Thanks for the info, Hopper on TSMC next year make more sense to me than a refresh of Ampere rtx line-up, unless Samsung 8nm yield are really that awful....

Apparently, Hopper will be TSMC 5nm.

#5842350

Denial

2020-10-13 21:20

Cave Waverider:

Apparently, Hopper will be TSMC 5nm.

Hopper can be both. Ampere is already both. A100 is Ampere on TSMC's 7nm, A102/104 is Samsung 8nm (10nm). 5nm will probably be insanely expensive but for companies looking for the best performance, they'll easily pay 5nm costs and not bat an eye. I can definitely see Nvidia doing Datacenter Hopper = 5nm at extremely high cost and the gaming parts on 7nm, which by next year should be much cheaper and higher availability.

#5842359

Syranetic

2020-10-13 21:49

Fender178:

Hmm this could be a wise move by Nviida considering on how bad the Samsung wafers are. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is a big difference between TSMC's 7nm nodes and Samsung's 8nm. You are 100% wrong. AMD has been using TSMC's 7nm nodes for sometime now. I wouldn't think so because Nvidia more or less set the prices as we saw them. If they were to jack up the prices since switching nodes would only alienate customers even more than they already are.

Are you really that obtuse or do you just like appearing to be incredibly ignorant?

#5842360

asturur

2020-10-13 21:53

AStaUK:

If this is true, wonder what a 3080Ti with 20GB vRAM on 7nm means for the current 3090, similar performance with less power draw?

The 3090 and 3080 already perform way similar.

#5842361

southamptonfc

2020-10-13 21:54

Glad I cancelled my order now. Sounds like a 3080Super is on the cards next year with higher clocks.

#5842362

jbscotchman

2020-10-13 21:55

And the drama continues.

#5842363

southamptonfc

2020-10-13 21:55

tsunami231:

should we expect nvidia to jack the prices up some more cause there gona use 7nm?

We should always expect Nvidia to jack up the prices 🙂

#5842370

Dragam1337

2020-10-13 22:21

I would like to know if there will be 3090's on both 7nm and 8nm on the market at the same time - if so, no one will want to get a 8nm chip...

#5842373

DannyD

2020-10-13 22:36

So 3080 and 3070 super on the way, interesting ..

#5842375

Reddoguk

2020-10-13 22:42

Sad news really as now i have to wait till 2021 for the 7nm version of the 3070Ti but hopefully it does use less power than Samsungs 8nm. I want either a 16gb or 20gb card 3070Ti/3080 but now can't buy a Samsung version or maybe even Big Navi might tempt me. For the first time ever i might be 100% AMD by 2021. 100% getting an AMD 5800X so which gfx card will depend on how good big Navi is. If theres a card around 3070Ti - 3080 performance with 16gb of Vram like i said depending on a few things like power use/cooling/price i might be totally AMD before the years end. AMD must be loving this because they(nvidia) are really struggling and orders are not anywhere near enough giving AMD more time to get their cards out.

#5842379

isidore

2020-10-13 22:46

@Fender178 @Devid @jura11 ha, i got it wrong 😀..thx for the correction..i don't know why i was under the impression AMD is full Samsung...even more my ryzen 3800x is on 7nm lol..i'm a dumbass..:D

#5842380

JiveTurkey

2020-10-13 22:53

I have been expecting this. Seemed like too outside of Samsung wheelhouse. Plus side is I am more then content with my 2080ti so no hurry and hopefully this will help AMD regain some competitive market share.