Nvidia AD106, A107 Ada Lovelace GPUs Likely to use PCIe x8 Interface

#6049773

cucaulay malkin

2022-09-12 08:33

scumbag move.

#6049803

asturur

2022-09-12 10:39

cucaulay malkin:

scumbag move.

Why so? Performance will be the same, we never saturated that slot anyway. Better use those lines for nvme, thing that you had to do anyway since most of the time the 16x was shared with a secondary disk if you added it

#6049804

Meathelix1

2022-09-12 10:50

Didn't people say the 4070 was going to beat a 3080? Yeah, maybe, na. Don't believe the hype people Kopite7kimi has constantly changed what the cards have over and over again. lol Nvidia did a good marketing tactic to get people talking months before release.

#6049806

Horus-Anhur

2022-09-12 10:54

asturur:

Why so? Performance will be the same, we never saturated that slot anyway. Better use those lines for nvme, thing that you had to do anyway since most of the time the 16x was shared with a secondary disk if you added it

No it won't. Especially for someone using PCI-e Gen3. Which there a re many, be it on Intel or AMD systems. And especially on nvidia cards, that usually come with a smaller vram buffer, forcing the GPU to fetch more frequently over PCI-e. And let's not forget that with Direct Storage, the GPU will be in charge of decompressing data, meaning more accesses trough PCI-e. This kind of move would only be acceptable in low end GPUs. Really a scumbag move from nvidia, only leaning the wrong lessons from AMD.

#6049808

Meathelix1

2022-09-12 11:04

Horus-Anhur:

No it won't. Especially for someone using PCI-e Gen3. Which there a re many, be it on Intel or AMD systems. And especially on nvidia cards, that usually come with a smaller vram buffer, forcing the GPU to fetch more frequently over PCI-e. And let's not forget that with Direct Storage, the GPU will be in charge of decompressing data, meaning more accesses trough PCI-e. This kind of move would only be acceptable in low end GPUs. Really a scumbag move from nvidia, only leaning the wrong lessons from AMD.

Maybe it's cheaper for them, or they are doing a business tactic. The lower the price, the lower the performance increase. Get more people buying, they need it... Or better yet, high end you have to pay more to have 16x. What if they did a different version of high-end? Abit like how car companies charge you for extra haha, anyway, this was to be expected from Nvidia.

#6049810

Horus-Anhur

2022-09-12 11:06

Meathelix1:

Maybe it's cheaper for them, or they are doing a business tactic. The lower the price, the lower the performance increase. Get more people buying, they need it... Or better yet, high end you have to pay more to have 16x. What if they did a different version of high end? Abit like how car companies charge you for extra's haha

Of course it's cheaper for nvidia and AMD. It's a way to offer an inferior product and get a bigger profit.

#6049811

Meathelix1

2022-09-12 11:10

Horus-Anhur:

Of course it's cheaper for nvidia and AMD. It's a way to offer an inferior product and get a bigger profit.

Exactly my point and this was to be expected. We will have 5000 series on the same architecture but instead of limiting it, they will then open the 5000 cards for a larger power draw and performance increase. It's a pure business tactic, now the prices need to follow if they are decreasing the performance. So... a 30-40% increase on the 4090 over the 3090 but at a little higher price.

#6049812

Cave Waverider

2022-09-12 11:11

Meathelix1:

Don't believe the hype people Kopite7kimi has constantly changed what the cards have over and over again. lol

How can a "leaker" know what the SKUs will be for sure when Nvidia themselves probably don't know yet which SKU will have which features? It's like Nvidia gearting up to sell an RTX 3080 20GB (possibly named "3080 Ti" as it wasn't decided at that point) in the pipeline first with manufacturers having already produced the cards, changing to 12GB 3080 Ti then a 12GB 3080 as well with the 20GB models never being officially released (just inofficially sold to a bunch of mining farms, apparently). Jensen Huang likes to decide things just before their announcement. Perhaps if enough fuzz is made in protest about these alleged x8 cards, they'll change their minds or sell them as low-end SKUs instead.

#6049814

Meathelix1

2022-09-12 11:14

Cave Waverider:

Jensen Huang likes to decide things just before their announcement. Perhaps if enough fuzz is made in protest about these alleged x8 cards, they'll change their minds or sell them as low-end SKUs instead.

The average Gamer won't have a clue what you are talking about. Why would they fuss about it? Everyone just wants cheaper cards even if it's only a 20% increase. Also when has Nvidia listened to their customers, they only listen when they lose money.

#6049815

Horus-Anhur

2022-09-12 11:16

Cave Waverider:

How can a "leaker" know what the SKUs will be for sure when Nvidia themselves probably don't know yet which SKU will have which features? It's like Nvidia gearting up to sell an RTX 3080 20GB (possibly named "3080 Ti" as it wasn't decided at that point) in the pipeline first with manufacturers having already produced the cards, changing to 12GB 3080 Ti then a 12GB 3080 as well with the 20GB models never being officially released (just inofficially sold to a bunch of mining farms, apparently). Jensen Huang likes to decide things just before their announcement. Perhaps if enough fuzz is made in protest about these alleged x8 cards, they'll change their minds or sell them as low-end SKUs instead.

Because nvidia and AMD have to sample AIBs in time, so they can start their work. This has to be done months in advance. Also, at this point, a few SKUs are already in production to gather stock for the official launch. And there is always someone who says something. Another way is to look at driver updates, or kernel updates for Linux. Most of the features we know from RDNA3, come from this.

#6049818

Meathelix1

2022-09-12 11:21

Horus-Anhur:

Because nvidia and AMD have to sample AIBs in time, so they can start their work. This has to be done months in advance. Also, at this point, a few SKUs are already in production to gather stock for the official launch. And there is always someone who says something. Another way is to look at driver updates, or kernel updates for Linux. Most of the features we know from RDNA3, come from this.

The x16 mid range might have never been in production then? These so-called leaks and images could be coming from the Next Gen 5000 series, 3000mhz at 800 watts on load using PCIe 5. Again we don't know could be totally fake. I will be happy with a 4090 at $2500 AUD with a 25-35% increase from the 3090 as that will be a huge upgrade from 2080. Any higher and they are just ripping everyone off, trying to get money back on the leftover stock 3000 series.

#6049819

H83

2022-09-12 11:22

cucaulay malkin:

scumbag move.

Agree. Everything to save some pennies...

#6049823

Horus-Anhur

2022-09-12 11:28

Meathelix1:

The x16 might have never been in production then? These so-called leaks and images could be coming from the Next Gen 5000 series, 3000mhz at 800 watts on load using PCIe 5. Again we don't know could be totally fake. I will be happy with a 4090 at $2500 AUD with a 25-35% increase from the 3090 as that will be a huge upgrade from 2080. Any higher and they are just ripping everyone off, trying to get money back on the leftover stock 3000 series.

Mid and high end GPUs always had PCIe 16x lanes. With the 6600, AMD decided to cut corner and just give gamers 8 lanes, on a GPU that had an msrp of 379$. This was a complete rip-off. And it's very sad that NVidia has decided to screw consumers the same way.

#6049824

Meathelix1

2022-09-12 11:31

H83:

Agree. Everything to save some pennies...

All we should be worrying about now is the prices, if its not "hype 80% increase" then what is it and how much is it going to cost?

Horus-Anhur:

Mid and high end GPUs always had PCIe 16x lanes. With the 6600, AMD decided to cut corner and just give gamers 8 lanes, on a GPU that had an msrp of 379$. This was a complete rip-off. And it's very sad that NVidia has decided to screw consumers the same way.

So they are cutting back the lanes, so they are trying to make their mid-range cheaper.

#6049831

Cave Waverider

2022-09-12 12:06

Meathelix1:

So they are cutting back the lanes, so they are trying to make their mid-range cheaper.

Cheaper to produce, yes, but cheaper sales price? Probably not. 😉

#6049858

Prince Valiant

2022-09-12 13:52

H83:

Agree. Everything to save some pennies...

After multiple years of immense profit.

Meathelix1:

All we should be worrying about now is the prices, if its not "hype 80% increase" then what is it and how much is it going to cost? So they are cutting back the lanes, so they are trying to make their mid-range cheaper.

The only thing they care about is making it cheaper for themselves and how they can spin it to dupes.

#6049859