Next Gen Intel Cannon Lake 15% faster and again a 14nm processor
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Kaarme
With their obscene profit margin, Intel could lower the prices as much as they want to compete. But knowing Intel, I doubt they will. They would sooner lose the market than drop the prices. Gotta have some principles!
PrMinisterGR
They have a huge image problem actually. If they decide to reduce the profit margin on their CPUs because they are losing market share, they have to start explaining why those 8-core CPUs were $1000 and now they are suddenly $500.
The have the cores and the performance, yet the price for that will be cannibalizing their most profitable markets and alienating the people who invested more in them. It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
The way the market is now Intel doesn't really "have" the cores, in the sense that it cannot do it without showing to everyone that changing sockets every 10 months, the no-reason-to-exist socket 2011/socket 115x disparity, and even the triple time switching of said socket 2011, wasn't just a way to milk their own customers.
BLEH!
Pah, I'll believe 15% when I see it.
AMD4Life
If Intel does major price lowering (40-50%) on their high-end CPUs then I'd say they are in full panic mode. I don't see that happening either, personally. Intel will have to maintain competition somehow depending on the actual performance of Ryzen. At most, I'd expect to see a 20% price lowering from Intel but that is a big maybe.
Embra
I do not think Intel will ever lower prices by that margin. People will still buy their products no mater what the price. As far as panic mode, I think that is a bit dramatic. They are certainly making adjustments.
I do really think AMD has a good product in Ryzen and looking forward to picking one up.
PrMinisterGR
The adjustments include almost half of their high-level managers abandoning the company as fast as possible.
Kaarme
Do they? Random Joes from the streets don't buy 1000 dollars CPUs. The only people who buy them are either those who know what's going on in the market or some oil princes who want the best even if buying & selling stocks was the only thing they used the PC for.
The only pissed off people would be those who saved money and bought the CPU just prior to the price drop. But then again, I don't think anybody should be upgrading their mobo+CPU right now unless they haven't got a choice.
fry178
@Kaarme
so far, i've heard more ppl stating they own a 6/8C intel, than i heard saying they own a 9xxx amd (ZERO, right now).
and depending on use, given i would have the cash, i surely would buy a 1000$ intel,
since there is more things to do/software out there to use on a pc besides gaming.
so based on one of you assumptions, the only ppl buying + 100000$ cars, are the ones that know whats goin on in the market/background?
sorry, but LOL.
Denial
He's saying that typically people making expensive purchases do more research on those purchases. Which seems pretty logical and is definitely true for me.
Regardless, I do agree with PrMinister, if Intel suddenly just cuts their $1000 flagship processor price in half, it's going to raise eyebrows and there will almost certainly be a Guru3D thread where people complain about how much Intel was gouging them. Will it significantly impact the brand? Probably not by itself, but in combination with all the other crap Intel is doing - it's going to start adding up.
Kaarme
Denial already explained what I meant, but let me just add that I consider the frequent posters of Guru3D to know what's going on. People like you, who would buy a 1000 dollars CPUs and actually put it to use if they had the money ready for it. However, you also are aware of the soon to be released Ryzen and its possible impact on Intel pricing. So, if you bought that 1000 dollars chip right now, you'd buy it knowing its price could drop (although 50% is clearly an exaggeration).
That's all I really said. The other group are the people who buy gold and jewel encrusted cell phones. It was more like a joke added to the post, but the fact is they wouldn't care if the price dropped by 50%.
zais
Peace
Amd motherboard intel cpu anyone?
chronek
there was no competition last years that why they did nothing, they startidn doing something now just because amd (even if amd is not big competition yet)
Venix
14 nm still ... looks like shrinking getting really really hard we know intel spends billions for their fab labs and productions if they could have it in mass production they would have done it already quiet the announcement to make at this point of time ...did intel came before hand to anounce ipc increase in their cpus months before lunch in any of the 3xxx 4xxx 6xxx and 7xxx cpus ?
Silva
They don't have to explain anything, companies will always produce for as low as possible and sell as high clients are willing to pay. Having no competition for almost 7 years made that possible.
In case of Intel, they do have some ways to explain why they change sockets: adding new technologies like DDR4, Optane, etc. That does mean they have bad planing and I agree with you: they sure milk their customers.
But knowing that doesn't take someone with a QI higher than 2 digits, does it?
Price will go down if their CPU's stay on the shelves, it's the market law.
That was ****ing funny. Are the rats really jumping the boat?
Those 1000 dollar Intel CPUs are really good for rendering. Wealthy youtubers use them, companies using software like SolidWorks, and so on.
Any CPU above 400 dollars is used for a specific use or for bragging rights.
Warrax
15% performance aka in multithread using the most multithread-friendly benchmark, aka less than 5% IPC.
Bring on Zen.
robintson
This is the answer of what happens in a world without competition where AMD can't compete with Intel on the same level. All the Intel's cpu silicon chips development, investments and 10 nm silicon factories are simply postponed for years.
Amx85
Ops, i forgot "no iGP for Intel Next Gen" then "15% higher Performance" could be less than 10% higher IPC and the rest is clocking, Zen will have iGP on Raven Ridge APU, Summit Ridge wil no have iGP
PrMinisterGR
http://fudzilla.com/news/40374-intel-loses-evp-of-iot-and-evp-of-pcs
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/37337-intel-s-israel-boss-quits
Not a crazy reputable source, but these are not rumors, and this was the fastest I could find.
icedman
Intel is probably counting the boost they'll be getting by using AMD's integrated GPU's:3eyes:
chispy
More than likely in my humble opinion ~5 to 10% at most , same as Skylake to Kabylake was. More of the same BS :infinity: ...
