New CPU-Z Upgrade Lowers Ryzen performance
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Elfa-X
I'm not one to tin foil either but with the power and influence Intel has in the tech community and a record of playing dirty when pushed into a corner, Things like this bother me. Kind of like yesterday when all those firms came out bullish against AMD stock. Not saying anything is off just that Intel is a global juggernaut with their fingers in many a pie both political and financial.
Kaarme
Noisiv
MorganX
Noisiv
Single threaded CPU-z looked inflated on Ryzen from the very begging.
It still does.
If you think that outside of few very special cases, the single threaded performance on your 1800X is on par with i7-7700k, there is something wrong with you 😉
jortego128
How shady is this? I noticed this about a week ago but forgot to post about it. So Ryzen was "too efficient" at a particular instruction/set of instructions in the benchmark, so they felt the need to change it.
This is the kind of stuff that happens when you challenge a company like Intel. Sadly, this is the type of shady, monopolizing behavior you support when you buy strictly Intel. They are well known for strong-arming hardware vendors and software companies in the past.
Pretty crappy move on CPU-IDs part...
nz3777
Tisk tisk Intel- How many boxes of i7 6950x did you send this guy in order to persuade this move? Haha.I still want a Ryzen could care less about this stupid benchmark.
slyphnier
benchmark itself is a program
while CPU maker always tried to make their CPU more efficient
so when a benchmark saying its wrong for cpu/gpu maker to optimize with benchmark for faking with "better" score... its kinda funny
now if cpu-z benchmark relevan with other benchmark
in meaning that on previous version only on cpu-z benchmark showing high score, while rest of benchmark is not
and then new benchmark score similar to other benchmark score
then i personally think its relevan enough
but if other benchmark similar with old version cpu-z benchmark score
and new version score been drastically different, then i doubt the new cpu-z benchmark relevan
the good things there are many benchmark nowdays
even maybe its not really same one to another
Denial
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/367qav/mark_my_word_if_we_dont_stop_the_nvidia_gameworks/
Not only was this post technically wrong (PhysX doesn't run on any GPU in Project Cars). But it was actually AMD that dropped the ball:
And yet I still see people here bringing it up.
Then you have Richard Huddy lying about Hairworks coming in at the last moment in Witcher 3, crippling their performance.
Yet it was demonstrated in the game a year before it's release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i8K5M98eME
Further they said lack of source was the reason why the performance was crippling - but HairWorks is source is available now, yet I don't see any drivers with massive gains in it. Their fix was to simply lower tessellation - which is fine - but they did that after making a big public stink about it being Nvidia's fault not simply their geometry performance being awful.
As for the tessellation slider itself - I constantly see people saying "it's overkill" and yet here is Crysis 2 with AMD's optimized setting vs the default setting:
http://abload.de/img/fulltessellation2jrki.jpg - Default Level
http://i.imgur.com/ejmXF.jpg - AMD Optimized Level
Clearly it has an impact on visual quality despite what various people here say. With Godrays it impact's dense areas, like fences. With Hairworks it affects the simulation quality. Obviously these all differ and in some games you can get away with lowering it without much of a visual impact. But it does affect it.
Speaking of Crysis 2, the underwater tessellation thing constantly gets mentioned here, despite both the developers of Cryengine and Cryengine modders explaining that turning wireframe on turns off the geometry culling.
The Async thing got completely blown out of proportion. So much so that people are just saying Nvidia emulates DX12 now - literally see a post about it once a day. When in reality, Anandtech, explained that Nvidia doesn't get impacted as much by Async Compute, because the performance advantage mainly comes from filling idle gaps in the pipeline - which Nvidia doesn't have to the same degree as AMD. Or better yet, that Nvidia's GPU's aren't "DX12 compatible" or Nvidia's GPUs are "not multithreaded". Both companies implement things differently - there are design trade offs. AMD gets an advantage in some stuff, Nvidia gets it in others.
Like even with the stock drop yesterday, the entire AMD subreddit was looking to blame Goldman Sachs, or "stupid investors", etc. When in reality it was a simple correction to an overvalued stock.
I can go on and on. It never ends. Literally everyday there is another "conspiracy" or "issue". Today it's CPU-Z, who is probably just balancing their benchmark so it more accurately reflects reality, tomorrow it will be some other thing - maybe Microsoft again - because despite them using AMD for their Xbox/basis of DX12/etc, they obviously refused to update their scheduler because they are against AMD too.
The blame game is starting to get old. The overreaction to every news story is starting to get old. The "AMD woe is me" posts like yours are starting to get old. I can only sympathize so much before I'm over it and I think with this I'm over it. Unless there is some real evidence that CPU-Z took money from Intel to actively damage AMD's reputation - it's all just crying wolf. And like yeah, I get it - a decade ago Intel made some anti-competitive moves - I'm sure to some degree they are still doing it... but now with Ryzen it's like literally every single negative thing about it "must be Intel paying the world off" "Intel paying reviewers" "Intel paying Microsoft" "Intel paying CPU-Z" "Intel paying every youtuber"..
To be honest, the longer this goes on the more I think AMD and their community loses credibility.
It's getting really tiring reading about how everything is a giant conspiracy against AMD. Especially when multiple times, the issues you are describing that "tech reviewers" do, also come from AMD or the community itself, yet no one ever acknowledges that.
You have Project Cars ****show:
RealNC
http://i.imgur.com/pSkKiHm.jpg
Guru3dreader
Intel scores good.
The benchmark is valid.
AMD scores good.
We had to change the benchmark so that AMD cpus score worst.
Anyway, CPUz was already a stupid benchmark. A good info program, but completelly stupid when comparing different processors. Unfortunately it's going to become even worst than stupid. Maybe they hope that with Intel's support, CPUz will become part of benchmark suites used by know tech sites.
stevevnicks
not sure for the desktop user it matters at all ?
at the end of the day are you happy with your cpu does it really matter if it's AMD or Intel, as long as it's doing what you bought it for, what home user really gives a sh!t what any benchmark tool let alone cpu-z says?
to many people care more about benchmark scores than enjoying what they bought their PC's for lol
im over it all these days couldn't careless, as long as it does what i need and the price is cheap lol
just enjoy your PC in real life use rather than care what CPU-Z reports or do people just buy PC's to worry about benchmark score cred these days?
user1
Ambient
intel i5 2500k@4.5 ghz also shows different results...
Single thread ver 1.7.8: 1703 points
Single thread ver 1.7.9: 454 points
Multithread ver 1.7.8: 6600 points
Multithread ver 1.7.9: 1795 points
Why do we speak only about AMD ?
Sass Drake
Noisiv
Silva
I always preferred Cinebench for benchmarks and probably will be my CPU benchmark of choice for a long time.
vase
Ryzen cheats itself to the top by performing certain ALU workload faster than the competition... that's just unfair. I would ban Ryzen from the market alltogether.
http://www.wdwinfo.com/images/smilies/lmao.gif
Conclusion: Benchmarks are subjective.
Silva
Kaarme