MSI (India) Pretty Much Just Called Radeon GPUs "Sub par"

warlord

2018-03-25 14:04

cowie:

somebody had to say it and its about time. maybe that will light a fire under AMD's pc gaming department's as5 but they do have the number 1 gaming platform under control. I don't think it would be wrong to say they have the most used gpu for gaming.

Consoles and mining doesn't make them potentially eligible for the #1 gaming choice for PC. Get the facts straight. #1 for PC is Nvidia by far.

#5531358

D3M1G0D

2018-03-25 14:05

lucidus:

It's just some idiot running their facebook page.

oxidized:

While i think it's just that guy running the page's words, and not official MSI (even if the facebook page is MSI approved), what's even wrong about thinking that? As of now AMD cards ARE sub par, how could anyone deny that?

How is that an acceptable excuse? That just means MSI should be held responsible for allowing idiots to run their Facebook page! No matter which way you cut it, MSI is responsible here.

crashburn162:

When was the last time when AMD had a better GPU than NVIDIA mid-high range? It was 8 years ago for mid range for high range I honestly don't remember such. I don't know anyone who would buy and AMD card at the moment (if not for mining) so are Nvidia exploiting their dominance yes and it's a free market AMD stepped up with their CPU game if they don't do it with their GPU they should just swtich making APU for consoles and mobile stuff. I really don't see the problem here Nvidia is dominant GPU maker for many years and they can do what they want to keep that place. Free world!

The R9 290X (2013) was, at the time, the fastest GPU in the world (even beating the Titan in some cases). Nobody remembers this though - the only thing they remember is how loud it ran. The R9 Fury X was also more-or-less competitive with the GTX 980, but all people remember it for is the (initially) lousy water-cooler. Also, it's only with Polaris that AMD declined to offer a high-end product. As I said in the other thread, I've lost all respect for MSI and will never buy another product from them again (it's a shame, since I really like the Twin Frozr design 🙁). The unprofessional-ism and elitism displayed in that Facebook post is absolutely disgusting, and I now have serious buyer's remorse for my MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon and MSI Radeon RX 580. It's sad that it's come to this, as I had considered MSI a really good brand until now (collateral damage of the GPP, I guess).

#5531359

cowie

2018-03-25 14:05

warlord:

Consoles and mining doesn't make them potentially eligible for the #1 gaming choice for PC. Get the facts straight. #1 for PC is Nvidia by far.

that's why I said gaming not pc gaming

#5531361

cowie

2018-03-25 14:14

D3M1G0D:

How is that an acceptable excuse? That just means MSI should be held responsible for allowing idiots to run their Facebook page! No matter which way you cut it, MSI is responsible here. The R9 290X (2013) was, at the time, the fastest GPU in the world (even beating the Titan in some cases). Nobody remembers this though - the only thing they remember is how loud it ran. The R9 Fury X was also more-or-less competitive with the GTX 980, but all people remember it for is the (initially) lousy water-cooler. Also, it's only with Polaris that AMD declined to offer a high-end product. As I said in the other thread, I've lost all respect for MSI and will never buy another product from them again (it's a shame, since I really like the Twin Frozr design 🙁). The unprofessional-ism and elitism displayed in that Facebook post is absolutely disgusting, and I now have serious buyer's remorse for my MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon and MSI Radeon RX 580. It's sad that it's come to this, as I had considered MSI a really good brand until now (collateral damage of the GPP, I guess).

easy now it will be ok stay away from the ledge the 290x killed the lightning brand any way maybe that's why this guy is pissed off?:(

#5531362

H83

2018-03-25 14:24

oxidized:

While i think it's just that guy running the page's words, and not official MSI (even if the facebook page is MSI approved), what's even wrong about thinking that? As of now AMD cards ARE sub par, how could anyone deny that?

First when you´re working for a company that sells the products you are talking about, you have to be careful about what you about them, saying that AMD is sub par while MSI sells them means that MSI doesn´t mind if it sells inferior products to their clients, bad move, very bad move... Second, just because AMD cards are worse than the ones from Nvidia doesn´t mean that they are crap or should be avoided. They are great cards and have a few advantages over the ones from Nvidia (Freesync) and if people can buy them cheaper, then they are great products. It pains me to see this kind of trash talk, specially from a company like MSI, that is my favourite GPU vendor.

#5531364

Belfaborac

2018-03-25 14:27

D3M1G0D:

As I said in the other thread, I've lost all respect for MSI and will never buy another product from them again (it's a shame, since I really like the Twin Frozr design 🙁). The unprofessional-ism and elitism displayed in that Facebook post is absolutely disgusting, and I now have serious buyer's remorse for my MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon and MSI Radeon RX 580. It's sad that it's come to this, as I had considered MSI a really good brand until now (collateral damage of the GPP, I guess).

One solitary moron employed in some respect or other by MSI India says something stupid on f**'ing Facebook and now you've lost all respect for the global MSI brand, which you've until now considered really good. What an absolutely delightful example of hysterical internet hyperbole. Well done!

#5531365

oxidized

2018-03-25 14:33

D3M1G0D:

How is that an acceptable excuse? That just means MSI should be held responsible for allowing idiots to run their Facebook page! No matter which way you cut it, MSI is responsible here. The R9 290X (2013) was, at the time, the fastest GPU in the world (even beating the Titan in some cases). Nobody remembers this though - the only thing they remember is how loud it ran. The R9 Fury X was also more-or-less competitive with the GTX 980, but all people remember it for is the (initially) lousy water-cooler. Also, it's only with Polaris that AMD declined to offer a high-end product. As I said in the other thread, I've lost all respect for MSI and will never buy another product from them again (it's a shame, since I really like the Twin Frozr design 🙁). The unprofessional-ism and elitism displayed in that Facebook post is absolutely disgusting, and I now have serious buyer's remorse for my MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon and MSI Radeon RX 580. It's sad that it's come to this, as I had considered MSI a really good brand until now (collateral damage of the GPP, I guess).

It's not an excuse, i'm just saying, they could remove or edit his message if they felt what was said is a bit "too much", otherwise they leave it there and harvest the fruits of what they said. Also in my eyes, one should choose between what's more appropriate for the use he intends, and not worry too much about politics and practices, where's talking about corporations, their only objective is profit, and by selling good products, not being some charity organization. I bought a 1060 from msi, because their cooler was overall the best i could find on that card, and for a reasonable price at that time, i won't let these bs get in the way when quality and performance is what i seek.

#5531366

Fox2232

2018-03-25 14:34

Belfaborac:

One solitary moron employed in some respect or other by MSI India says something stupid on f**'ing Facebook and now you've lost all respect for the global MSI brand, which you've until now considered really good. What an absolutely delightful example of hysterical internet hyperbole. Well done!

Regardless of his mental fitness, he may have just repeat something he heard on internal channels. While unprofessional, he is the messenger.

#5531368

Romulus_ut3

2018-03-25 14:41

As someone who is involved with import, sales, distribution of computer goods in the subcontinent (India's neighboring country, to be precise) and a part time tech journalist, I can tell you without the shadow of a doubt that the response you see in MSI India's Facebook page isn't MSI's Official stance on the matter. The Facebook Page is likely maintained by someone/or a couple of people who works for the largest/main distributor of MSI products in India, hence the unprofessional reply. It is possible that these individuals may actually be employed by the "MSI India" division, but still, there's a disconnect between MSI India and MSI. What you see there are opinions expressed by an individual, and doesn't speak for MSI at all. While AMD isn't all that competitive in the GPU market, their offerings aren't certainly sub par. Or else, you'd never have seen a GTX 1070 Ti come out.

#5531369

Perjantai

2018-03-25 14:44

The R9 290X was great I had them crossfire and off course they were 290 flashed with 290X bios. 😉 Nvidia released Titan 999$ card and then amd r9 290 stomped it with 449$ card. Why cant we have nice things anymore. But sadly after those cards I had no interest on amd´s offering. Imo all graphic cards are sub par for the prices atm. PIC REMOVED AND OFC F***K YOU NVIDIA and your GPP

#5531371

Fox2232

2018-03-25 14:50

Romulus_ut3:

As someone who is involved with import, sales, distribution of computer goods in the subcontinent (India's neighboring country, to be precise) and a part time tech journalist, I can tell you without the shadow of a doubt that the response you see in MSI India's Facebook page isn't MSI's Official stance on the matter. The Facebook Page is likely maintained by someone/or a couple of people who works for the largest/main distributor of MSI products in India, hence the unprofessional reply. It is possible that these individuals may actually be employed by the "MSI India" division, but still, there's a disconnect between MSI India and MSI. What you see there is opinions expressed by an individual, and doesn't speak for MSI at all. While AMD isn't all that competitive in the GPU market, their offerings aren't certainly sub par. Or else, you'd never have seen a GTX 1070 Ti come out.

That would be funny. Because Micro Star International would not be international company (just some separate entities who coincidentally deal in PC HW). I do not think that there is separate yearly report for separate investors of MSI Germany, MSI Spain, MSI India, MSI, ... There are many companies who have branches all over the world and in the end, they are one. And top management in each country is reporting to those above in Main Office.

#5531373

Romulus_ut3

2018-03-25 15:05

Fox2232:

That would be funny. Because Micro Star International would not be international company (just some separate entities who coincidentally deal in PC HW). I do not think that there is separate yearly report for separate investors of MSI Germany, MSI Spain, MSI India, MSI, ... There are many companies who have branches all over the world and in the end, they are one. And top management in each country is reporting to those above in Main Office.

Well, as far as the Facebook pages go, that's how it works. I have watched GIGABYTE Bangladesh and MSI Bangladesh form before my eyes. with employees branched off from their local distributors. And as you can clearly see from the nature of the reply, the spokesperson who wrote the reply spoke more for himself and not MSI as a whole. This whole thing is overblown, if you ask me. I'd rather concentrate on GIGABYTE, who said that their GIGABYTE Gaming BOX RX 580 isn't a Gaming product, hence isn't a part of their AORUS branding, which is actually an official response of sort.

#5531376

Raider0001

2018-03-25 15:25

Nvidia's Titan V GPUs spit out 'wrong answers' in scientific simulations https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/21/nvidia_titan_v_reproducibility/ #nvidianumber1ingaming

#5531377

nz3777

2018-03-25 15:28

Back in the day with cards like the Radeon 5970,6999 vs gtx 590,690 those were the days Radeon can go head to head with nvidia, he'l even the R9 290x was a Fantastic card that fought against 700 series....But as of late I do not keep-ul with hardware like I use too in the past. This guy just shot himself in the foot basicly and I do not think everyone over at Msi feels the same way.

#5531382

TimmyP

2018-03-25 15:45

Its true. Has always been since the 9700 pro. Nvidia has always been the way to go. New generations of kids get into buying GPUs, werent around to spend time with AMD\ATI to know first hand that something is lacking compared to their competition.

#5531384

kondziowy

2018-03-25 15:46

MSI is probably butthurt for not getting enough R9 Fury's and Vega's to do custom cards? I ain't mad at them. They just don't offer anything in high end for AMD since 290x Lightning in 2013. So for me honestly, they are subpar to other brands right now.

#5531386

Kaarme

2018-03-25 15:53

tensai28:

I don't think one guy speaks for the whole company and who cares? Even though I would agree with his statement until AMD releases a 1080ti competitor but this doesn't really need to be a story. This just comes off to me as a desperate attempt to generate traffic.

What a silly statement. AMD has nothing to compete with the 1080Ti, so the nonexisting GPU can't be subpar. How can nothing be subpar? Their offerings in the lower segments aren't particularly subpar, unless you look at the current miner inflated prices and think what the price will get you. But it's not really much better for Nvidia there either. 1080Ti isn't Nvidia's best selling, most important GPU at the moment, you know.

#5531387

oxidized

2018-03-25 15:59

Romulus_ut3:

As someone who is involved with import, sales, distribution of computer goods in the subcontinent (India's neighboring country, to be precise) and a part time tech journalist, I can tell you without the shadow of a doubt that the response you see in MSI India's Facebook page isn't MSI's Official stance on the matter. The Facebook Page is likely maintained by someone/or a couple of people who works for the largest/main distributor of MSI products in India, hence the unprofessional reply. It is possible that these individuals may actually be employed by the "MSI India" division, but still, there's a disconnect between MSI India and MSI. What you see there are opinions expressed by an individual, and doesn't speak for MSI at all. While AMD isn't all that competitive in the GPU market, their offerings aren't certainly sub par. Or else, you'd never have seen a GTX 1070 Ti come out.

1070ti is just nvidia doing nvidia, they could've dropped price on the 1080 and there you have you Vega56 killer 2 years earlier, 1060 was the competitor for the 480, and the 1070 would've been the 580 killer, if dropped price a bit, but well.

#5531388

Eastcoasthandle

2018-03-25 16:06

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/86o2bn/official_boycott_of_nvidia_gpp_partners/

UPDATE1 : If you want to file an official complaint with the your government you can do so by sending an email calling for an investigation of the NVIDIA GeForce Partner Program. IF you live in the US, email the FTC anti-trust office at [EMAIL]antitrust@ftc.gov[/EMAIL] IF you live in the EU, email the European Commission at [EMAIL]comp-market-information@ec.europa.eu[/EMAIL] Note : credit to /u/DrPigy & /u/French_Syd for bringing attention to this.

Wow, I am so glad that guy from India said what he said. I am all for "freedom of speech" on just "how you feel" instead of one of logical, politically correct verbiage. It has galvanized the community to continue reporting the issue to the FTC and other local governments. So Please, give us more public hate speeches of AMD AIB's. You know, the hand that feeds you. MOAR the THINGS!!!!You have the rights to says what you feel publicly about AMD through corporate accounts!! 😡 PS. You could cuddle yourself into believing that hate speeches don't motivate people into complaining. Shhhsss, go back to sleep. it's only a suggestion...no one will report GPP. Shhhhss

#5531390

oxidized

2018-03-25 16:09

Eastcoasthandle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/86o2bn/official_boycott_of_nvidia_gpp_partners/ Wow, I am so glad that guy from India said what he said. I am all for "freedom of speech" on just "how you feel" instead of one of logical, politically correct verbiage. It has galvanized the community to continue reporting the issue to the FTC and other local governments. So Please, give us more public hate speeches of AMD AIB's. You know, the hand that feeds you. MOAR the THINGS!!!!You have the rights to says what you feel publicly about AMD through corporate accounts!! 😡 PS. You could cuddle yourself into believing that hate speeches don't motivate people into complaining. Shhhsss, go back to sleep. it's only a suggestion...no one will report GPP. Shhhhss

On AMD reddit, LMAO, i was intentioned to sign it, but then i saw it was on AMD reddit.