Likely only 6-core and 8-core variants of the Ryzen 7000 3D V-Cache CPU will be released.
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nosirrahx
If they bin the actual cores to run faster than their non-3D counterparts, these will be killer gaming chips.
Maybe its time delineate desktop CPUs into gaming CPUs that are decent at content creation and content creation CPUs that are decent at gaming? Let people pick the CPU that better matches their specific use cases. What percentage of actual DIY customers need a system that equally awesome at gaming and content creation? Personally, I do mostly retro gaming but code and run multiple VMs so I don't need 3D V-Cache but I do need lots of cores. If there was a 7950X3D, I would have no use for it and could not justify the extra price or likely lower clocks.
They do this in the performance tire world. You can totally buy trackable street tires or streetable track tires depending on how you use your fun car.
tunejunky
you might think that, given 1st gen (5800X3D) limited oc-ability for that purpose.
but everything i hear in local (silicon valley) circles is that AMD has solved or worked around that issue with the second gen process.
i think it has to do with pulling back the number of SKU's because of world economy issues. that belief is reinforced by the coming introduction of GPU 3D cache.
cucaulay malkin
At current price its a great choice
tunejunky
Ummm...No
AMD is a publicly listed corporation with shareholders - it literally cannot "just drop prices by making the decision".
while they have leeway in the pricing structure the first responsibility is to the shareholders. a private company can do as it likes.
this doesn't mean it can't price aggressively - of course they can. but the pricing structure, cost of manufacture, units sold, and capital costs are all information available to the public and is reflected in the stock price and analyst recommendations.
Kaleid
It's more about the CCD then thermals. The cache is more wasted with 2 CCDs
tunejunky
not necessarily.
this can be a purely economic move. the fully populated CCDs while high yield, still produce defects. so the cut-down chips are sold so the value of the wafers is maintained. the 3D cache is an additional process after fabrication of the "regular" CCD. so (at this time) the choice of which cpu to fab 3D cache is based on the estimation of the market.
i was told of ES 7950X3D three months ago, which means (if true) a good year earlier AMD thought the market would exist for that. and it does, but not at scale for a "Hollywood" launch. someone mentioned AM5 APU w/ 3D cache in the forums and after this last year economically that may make sense, but it would be priced in the CPU category, but AMD may bite. it certainly is a winning idea for a next gen console.
so i really just think this is about leaner times and AMD keeping a gaming feature in reach of gamers
TLD LARS
Very little 16 core professional work uses the big cache ( a couple of linux things do)
There are games out there that actually has worse lows on 16 cores then 8.
There is also the problem, why buy 8000 series when 7000 3d is the same speed or better in gaming?
The 5800 3d is a very successful gaming CPU, AMD would maybe call it too successful when looking at the 7000 series sales.
pegasus1
The share price has recovered significantly (30%) in the last month, generally share prices don't reflect sales, they reflect market confidence in the company and the industry as a whole.
pegasus1
Yes but some PBO2 undervolting works wonders, my 5800x3d runs the same temps clock for clock as my 3800x but is way faster in games (and CB).
user1
I saw a block diagram for the zen4 power circuitry a while ago and i remember seeing that amd added an on die voltage regulator for the cache, so offering oc shouldnt be an issue anymore, since the presumed issue with the 5800x3d was that the cache die ran at the same voltage as the core and the cache could only go up to 1.35v for safe operation @tjmax (possibly to do with the tsv copper bonding)
Kaarme
You are somehow reading too much into what I said. My post was only a response to another comment which claimed that instead of making new, attractive products for the market, AMD should somehow make existing products cheaper. I don't know why my post triggered you. I only pointed out those two things aren't in any way related to each other. AMD can't magically lower the prices of the existing products by not making new products. Do you disagree with this?
RED.Misfit
Also remember Intel choice is "end of the road", while with AMD you invest in the future. Cost you more today, cost your less tomorrow. Next time around you'll only have to slot in your brand new Zen 5 or 6 CPU in the socket. No need to change the MB/DDR "again".
abula
I want to see 7800X3D vs 13900KS, for sure its going to melt faces.
bballfreak6
Part of the reason I ended up biting the bullet on the 7700X too.
pegasus1
I did wonder why some peeps made such a big deal regarding having to update the entire platform for the 7*** series, its not like Intel have been on the same socket for years. Yes DDR5 isnt cheap compared to DDR4 and no neither are the new MOBO's but thats often the price of jumping to a new generation.
bballfreak6
Yea like I stated in another post we had a sale here in Australia and I managed to snag the 7700X for cheaper than I paid for my 3700X; the ASUS B650e-e looks as good if not better than a lot of the X670e offerings out there and price wise was no more expensive than my ASUS X570 Gaming-E so overall ended up being not as bad as I had initially thought.
DonMigs85
makes sense, most games still don't scale much beyond 6 cores and cache makes much more of a difference than cores. Plus using a 2nd CCX adds latency for gaming workloads anyway, and 5800X3D reviews have shown the extra cache doesn't benefit most productivity and rendering tasks.
JamesSneed
They will. We have seen people run these 7xxx chips in eco mode and they still are really good. I have a feeling you pull the PBO back a touch with these for heat and they will fly.
H83
That`s true but the problem is that the difference between upgrading to Intel or to AMD is almost double!...
So if i go with Intel, i can save 400/500€ for another upgrade, that`s a lot of money.
And i tend to keep my CPUs for at least 5 years, i don`t if AM5 is going to last so long with upgrades for every CPU gen.
JamesSneed
You can also build a 5800x based system for dirt cheap right now as they are running at $249. If budget is the main factor these can't be beat. Lots of the AM4 boards are on huge discounts right now and DDR4 is really cheap. Put all the extra budget in a GPU and if you game at 2k or 4k you will get similar perf as if you had the higher end CPU's.
