Good to see these don't have E-cores (I'm not a hater of them, they just don't belong in high-end workstation CPUs) but I'm sure these will still be unattainably expensive. Power draw isn't looking too great compared to AMD either. But hey, at least they're releasing something for this segment.

I just cant help but lol at intel with xeons anymore.

I wonder if we'll get an X499 HEDT lineup?

BLEH!:

I wonder if we'll get an X499 HEDT lineup?

Depends if AMD uses X499 for ThreadRipper 3 lol

schmidtbag:

Good to see these don't have E-cores (I'm not a hater of them, they just don't belong in high-end workstation CPUs) but I'm sure these will still be unattainably expensive. Power draw isn't looking too great compared to AMD either. But hey, at least they're releasing something for this segment.

Depends on the application there are some nifty arm servers that have hundreds of arm CPUs.

80-Core ARM CPU entered the chat and laughing at AMD and Intel 😀 Look at der8auer youtube My bet is Intel to have lower latency than AMD Epyc/threadripper, so it may be very good in specific workloads. It's a reason I liked x299 way better than Threadripper. Tuned memory gets x299 under ns with 125GB/s bandwidth.

Venix:

Depends on the application there are some nifty arm servers that have hundreds of arm CPUs.

Like you said, depends on the application. Those ARM servers are good for things like web servers, because you don't need a lot of fancy instructions and aren't built for number crunching, you just need high availability of resources and no downtime, which is what those many-core ARM servers do very well at an extremely low wattage. A workstation CPU is better off with a bunch of P-cores, because you're expected to be pushing it hard with heavy workloads. Think of it like riding a bunch of motorcycles vs riding a bus. The motorcycles allow many people to use s minimal amount of fuel and space to get where they need to. They're not powerful, but they're just meant for commuting. A bus can carry more people in addition to their luggage, but they're all going to the same place. It's not that you couldn't use many busses for each passenger but it's not very cost or energy effective.

@schmidtbag pretty much ! A xeon with say 224 little cores will be great for web services etc . But having both little and big cores in a xeon does not seem logical for a server

nizzen:

80-Core ARM CPU entered the chat and laughing at AMD and Intel 😀 Look at der8auer youtube My bet is Intel to have lower latency than AMD Epyc/threadripper, so it may be very good in specific workloads. It's a reason I liked x299 way better than Threadripper. Tuned memory gets x299 under ns with 125GB/s bandwidth.

I hated how much more a x299 setup was vs my x399. I literally got a 1920x, X399 Taichi, and 32gb DDR4 3200 for $500 a few years ago. And i still can get up to 48 threads in this board with a 2990x. I game on it, but its streaming to my phone or surface, 60fps. I guess I feel no love for xeons after intel went full douche bag locking them down after X58. Having paid $30 for a x5650 in 2014 and was able to overclock it to 4.6 and have 12 threads.

schmidtbag:

Good to see these don't have E-cores (I'm not a hater of them, they just don't belong in high-end workstation CPUs) but I'm sure these will still be unattainably expensive. Power draw isn't looking too great compared to AMD either. But hey, at least they're releasing something for this segment.

True, but they should also release server versions only with E-cores because not everyone needs the fastest CPU possible. Now Intel just needs to do the same on the desktop/laptop segments and release CPUs with only P-cores or only E-cores, both of them is stupid and an waste of silicon...

Venix:

@schmidtbag pretty much ! A xeon with say 224 little cores will be great for web services etc . But having both little and big cores in a xeon does not seem logical for a server

H83:

True, but they should also release server versions only with E-cores because not everyone needs the fastest CPU possible. Now Intel just needs to do the same on the desktop/laptop segments and release CPUs with only P-cores or only E-cores, both of them is stupid and an waste of silicon...

Absolutely - Intel would make a killing selling Xeons with just E-cores. One P core takes up a little less space than 4 E-cores, and E-cores are still pretty powerful. An all-E-core Xeon would be cheaper for them to produce and if priced right, would dominate a lot of the markets that ARM has been creeping into. I also agree that a laptop with E-only cores would make sense, particularly for things like Chromebooks. As far as I'm concerned, the Pentium and Celeron series should also be E-only. They would make for excellent HTPCs. I disagree that having both sets of cores for mainstream is stupid. The average user only needs up to 6 P-cores, maybe 8 in some rare cases. Most everyday tasks you do either aren't scalable or don't earn you money through compute power. Most scalable processes you would typically do at home are run on a GPU these days. Higher thread count on mainstream CPUs matters for multitasking. This is where the E-cores really start to make sense, because the bulk of your processes do not need a full-instruction high-frequency core. Why spend extra and use more power running things like updates, render engines, media players, DRMs, chat services, etc on a P-core when an E-core can do those equally as well? If you were to swap 4 E-cores for 2 P-cores (which is an unfair trade considering how many more transistors P-cores have), your user experience would still most likely be worse in most cases. If you legitimately have a need for more P-cores than what LGA 1700 offers, that's what the workstation CPUs are for, and those do not have a need for E-cores.

schmidtbag:

Absolutely - Intel would make a killing selling Xeons with just E-cores. One P core takes up a little less space than 4 E-cores, and E-cores are still pretty powerful. An all-E-core Xeon would be cheaper for them to produce and if priced right, would dominate a lot of the markets that ARM has been creeping into.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17259/intel-discloses-multigeneration-xeon-scalable-roadmap-new-ecore-only-xeons-in-2024