by 10% not twice,not even 10% frankly if 4.7G 10700kf can match it then 10700f w. 4.6G is probably bout the same too.
there's 10700kf that is matching 5800x and costs 290eur
zen3 has really put the prices way higher than people who bought into x570 expected.they may hold onto their placeholder 3600's for good,before 5800x drops down to 300eur where 3800x is now.Or just overpay for a 5600x when you've got 11400f matching it for half price.
When you think about it most of these high end cpus 10700/11700/11900 - 5800x very close in performance, 5-10% difference at best. Intel offers some nice deals no doubt but we who have bought x570's and their place holders are kinda screwed. Like you said we can wait for prices to drop or buy an overpriced 5600x. Changing to intel platform is not an option btw.
5800x in the best one overall,10700f is the best value one.
changing platforms is pointless,it's not like amd has no value options.
i've seen 3800x's at 300eur and they overclock too.
this cpu will mealt that board when pl unlocked,better be aware.
not saying it's impossible,but it needs to be both locked and in gear2,and you're leaving a lot of performance out.
Its beyond my understanding to see some posts with "its more power hungry"
Power hungry by how much? 60 watts full load? Thats how you justify spending more?? And are you gonna build a full load PC to even begin a real argument?
When idle power consumption is the same.
PLUS you wont end up on the "General Hardware" asking "Hi, I got a ryzen, my ram dont work. Anyone knows fix?".
This cheap intel proves once again, as past 20 years: No need to overspend on CPU unless you make money with it.
Everything else will run fine.
he does have a point
power consumption is high
but is 30-40w more than 5600x in gaming really that much of a deal breaker at literally half price ? imo no
I'm not touching a +100w six core,and neither will most people in this thread,but it's a tempting cpu and it's undeniable value.you don't really have to resort to calling people shills in every thread when they see it from that perspective too.
he does have a point
power consumption is high
but is 30-40w more than 5600x in gaming really that much of a deal breaker deal at literally half price ? imo no
I'm not touching a +100w six core,and neither will most people in this thread,but it's a tempting cpu and it's undeniable value.you don't really have to resort to calling people shills in every thread when they see it from that perspective too.
30-40w is like 20$ in 3 years of gaming lets say 3-4h per day ? Not much.
My 5600X eats 40-60W depending on game , honestly even overclock does nothing for gaming consumption , undervolting does wonders , you can get it down to 30W in gaming, but i found i can play stable no single crash for many hours (valhalla , cyberpunk) but i can't finish CINEBENCH r20 run 😀 (crash in mid of the test).
Every ryzen 5000 are outstanding. No wonder the price is so high. 5800x is probably the best gaming cpu you can buy.
Right now, for most people the 11400F is best bang for the buck when building a new system, if all you do is gaming and run regular tasks that don't require more cores it will do fine, hence why it is recommended.
cucaulay malkin:
it's back to same old 50% premium for 5% performance only now in red
For majority of gaming but quite some more than just 5% when you use it with software that utilizes all the cores/threads, got to remember that when pointing at the higher price.
30-40w is like 20$ in 3 years of gaming lets say 3-4h per day ? Not much.
My 5600X eats 40-60W depending on game , honestly even overclock does nothing for gaming consumption , undervolting does wonders , you can get it down to 30W in gaming, but i found i can play stable no single crash for many hours (valhalla , cyberpunk) but i can't finish CINEBENCH r20 run 😀 (crash in mid of the test).
I told you that your 4000mhz with fclk 2000 isnt stable and it wont be. :P
Right now, for most people the 11400F is best bang for the buck when building a new system, if all you do is gaming and run regular tasks that don't require more cores it will do fine, hence why it is recommended.
For majority of gaming but quite some more than just 5% when you use it with software that utilizes all the cores/threads, got to remember that when pointing at the higher price.
IMO in that case 3900x is a better buy,and frankly it's cheaper by 20-30 eur
5800x is neither the best value for gaming nor for workstation use
it's a nice show of what zen3 can do but for those who buy the newest and don't care about the price factor much.
purely enthusiast price for an enthusiast product.
I told you that your 4000mhz with fclk 2000 isnt stable and it wont be. 😛
It is stable just requires more power and you need to disable PBO and performance gain is little , it is not worth it . I'm getting few to almost none WHEA with 2000 FCLK , 1933 is 0 whea ( this is what i currently run ).
It's just a trade you go with PBO/Curve optimizer or high FCLK , i perfer higher fclk and lower CPU clock with undervolt , 4650 Mhz with 1.3v is really nice, i had zero crashes with it but it can't finish CB , it's kinda funny ( stable for gaming , at least for what i played on it ).
This is 100% stable as far i can test it.
IMO in that case 3900x is a better buy,and frankly it's cheaper by 20-30 eur
5800x is neither the best value for gaming nor for workstation use
it's a nice show of what zen3 can do but for those who buy the newest and don't care about the price factor much.
Compare 3900x with 5900x, not 5800x, performance increase is a lot both for single as multi threads with the newer generation besides lower latency, your right that the 3900x comes with a good pricetag, but it all depends on how much processing power that is needed, besides that some have a demand for that lower latency to the memory.
5800x is 8/16, so that would be 3700x-3800x, which are cheaper than 3900x? ( around 150$?)
3700x even comes with lower TDP and will do pretty well in majority of gaming rigs.
This is 100% stable as far i can test it.