The Reeferman:

Starting to loose trust in Intel's GPUs.

Intel supposed to launch those cards in 2020, then moves twice date in 2021, then early 2022, summer 2022 now talking about end 2022. Well doubt we will see them until 2023!

Seriously Intel, just release it for a lower-than- desired price and take your losses. If they released it a half year ago, miners would've bought them all up anyway. The market is already starting to stabilize and we're seeing GPUs creeping back to MSRP. By September, Intel will have mostly missed out on the mining market. That would have been the one thing that really made this product sell well. Tell reviewers which games are known to not be optimized, and perhaps people will be a little more forgiving. Obviously, don't tell reviews what to review because that's just asking for more hate. Take note from CDPR: When a product gets repeatedly delayed and still under-delivers on release day, it looks real bad. Intel could wait another whole year and these products will still under-deliver, even ignoring the next gen stuff from Nvidia and AMD. That's not a shot at Intel, it's just insanely hard to optimize everything. Though as I always point out, AMD's open-source drivers have little to no application-specific optimizations and yet they perform so well that each of their GPUs are practically bumped up a whole performance tier. So if AMD can pull that off, the only thing that would be stopping Intel from doing the same is either bad developer practices or the GPU architecture is fundamentally flawed. This is a pretty new architecture, so Intel ought to have had a pretty clean slate to work with. If they're already heavily dependent upon micro-optimizations, they're going to have a difficult future.

Stormyandcold:

They've got to release them in decent quantities and with better drivers to even stand a chance. They are already at least a year behind schedule. They need to throw resources at the driver team to get the work done, otherwise the appeal will be limited.

I actually believe that they are doing this already. There are numerous serious NUC BIOS bugs plaguing the NUC support forum and Intel seems to be pretty much ignoring everyone. It looks like they are completely fixated on other projects.

fantaskarsef:

I'm not even sure it's about drivers here. Might just be hardware delays because of lockdowns in CN. Anyway, why should they not have issues? Everybody building hardware has them, I'd have been surprised if Intel's launch of a whole new product line would go without any troubles.

The only 2 devices I have to deal with that use Xe integrated as their only graphics are glitchy as hell. My niece has an 11th gen 2 in 1 with Xe and when you witch from laptop to tablet orientation it has all kinds of terrible graphical glitches like videos rolling from right to left or the top of the screen being duplicated over and over all the way down the screen. I have a mini-PC with Xe and most emulators I try to go full screen in crash instantly. This PC is based on a tablet screen so I suspect its a similar bug.

R.I.P. i guess.

All I have to say is look who's running this poop show. I'm sure AMD's management is spinning in their chairs laughing at how well the trojan horse is working.

They are going to have to sell these at cost as they are going to be competing with the low end from this next gen from AMD and Nvidia. This delay is going to hurt.

"During our evaluation of this feature, we decided to go a step further and implement a system to allow users to control collections of our driver-based optimizations, including memory management options, constant folding, and others. We will collect related toggles into groups to allow end-user customization,” says Pearce. “This has required additional development time, but we believe this will be the best solution for our Intel Arc graphics customers, and we’ll circle back in the next few weeks on when we expect to post the first driver with this capability.”

so what your saying is that the drivers are hot garbage.

RIP the dream of affordable video cards. The leather jacket is laughing its equivalent of an ass off right now.

Embra:

I will just wait until the reviews are posted. I will ignore everything else.

Don't hold your breath. 🙄

we'll have crazy good deals by year's end, like in 2018 don't skimp on vram, your next reasonably priced GPU could be in 2030

So they are delayed so they can put data mining into their drivers... no thanks... no even interested in Intel GPUs.

Well, this is very disappointing, and I'll just leave it at that.

Silva:

By September they'll cancel the project.

The more time goes by, the more is looks like Larrabee 2.0.....

Intel is still living from its past.. They had good years from Core 2 to second Ryzen coming. They lost SSD marked and managed to remove most of third party chips from mainboards and forced people upgrade boards very often.. in last years they lived from old code base, which were made around intel cpucs.

LMFAO ole Raja Koduri still at it i see. Dude is a fraud, card will be a dud by the time it comes out, watch

AsiJu:

I'm starting to think Intel went in over their heads, expecting they just snatch up a few people from NV and AMD and call it a day. Whereas said companies have spent decades in the business. .

Problem is that they bought into Raja's BS. Dude promised for years and years to take out Nvidia and never did, when his cards did come out, they got whipped cause they were so late. he basically destroyed ATi. They should have paid whatever it would take to get one of Nvidia's best people if they were serious. Now its gonna cost them.

It is pathetic and depressing that INTEL failed this should be easier than stealing candy from a baby. How is it possible with this once in a lifetime opportunity to blow this when the market was begging for any decent video card as long as it didn't catch fire or explode lol. What makes it worse is that they had all the money and muscle and they ended up snatching a few more AMD workers and still failed. How is this possible seriously? This is sad.I actually wanted them to succeed and I'm an AMD fan. People didn't want to believe me since day one when I saw through Raja when he started at AMD first. I usually know people quickly from being in sales most of my life and yup he was all talk. He promised everything and delivered nothing. This is crazy, for a company like INTEL they made it this far by cheating with unethical business tactics and karma came back. To me INTEL was never a great company for their size and once they had to play fair I knew their success would slow down since they couldn't bribe other companies to sell just their products. AMD was running on crumbs and they still fought hard. Even APPLE lost confidence with them. INTEL needs to cleanup their act.

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fantaskarsef:

I'm not even sure it's about drivers here. Might just be hardware delays because of lockdowns in CN. Anyway, why should they not have issues? Everybody building hardware has them, I'd have been surprised if Intel's launch of a whole new product line would go without any troubles.

obviously no launch is going to be super smooth right now, however there really shouldnt be anything bad enough to create a 6 month delay, intel went with tsmc 6n which is a mature node(enhanced 7n) I doubt they have a silicon supply problem bad enough to prevent a launch since all of it is planned a 6-12 months in advance, same with other components, no shortage of motherboards right now. drivers have always been a weak point for intel gpus, and trying to make sure your product is compatible and performs well with most games created in the last 20 years is no small feat when starting from scratch. its very labor intensive. i remember when amd started developing their gcn specific open source driver on linux, it took years to be good enough to replace the proprietary driver and thats just for opengl, granted its not like amd was throwing tons of money at it, but its definitely not easy.