konta:

sandy bridge is worth its weight in pure gold, if not more... im on a 2500k since 2011 and not really looking to change yet, its running at 4.5ghz stable on air 24/7, megahalems and noctua 14 @ 1000 rpm static and i dont ever crash or have any instability, not even in summer so yeah take that to the bank... and with 1070 im playing all of my games at 4k, sure, not everything can be maxed out (doh!) but it will push out 50-60fps in a lot of games even maxed out or close to it... 1440p (which equals to 33" screen on a 50" tv) will push everything i throw at it 60 fps maxxed out... so... yeah...

I'm feeling a lot less embarrassed now. 🙂 I'm on an i5-2500k also since 2011.... though with no overclock. Same Noctua 14 triple fan beast (rpm is set to medium to keep quiet), and gaming diff is my well-cooled Zotac GTX 1060 6GB as linked, and bought a couple of weeks after release for $225.

Embra:

Sounds like they wanted to try and slow down Ryzen sales. Good performing cpu though, other than the temp, power usage and mobo requirements.

Yes, and seemed like a semi-desperate move in view of how much they bumped up their roadmap (this was supposed to come out in 2018, not 2017). Still, let's see how long it takes them to start moving stock before judging. They do have the means to ramp up manufacturing. In the camera world, this sort of wait after 'launch' is standard. http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/processors/

nz3777:

Amen to that Bigmomma lol.I dont know this whole thing seems kinda shady to me Intel never had problems as far as I can remember putting out product, Looking at Micro centers site they have Only i5-8400 coffee lake which is selling for $249.99, This is really weird who the hell knows whats really behind it.Plus they are charging way to much as it is I am going Ryzen 90% sure so far. Also not cool for retailers ripping people off that much,I take that as a Major spit in the face!! I love the z370 series boards as well, i was already planning on which one I wanted to buy,The Asus board or Msi godlike I think it was? Yupp Go Amd!!! Alot of us are behind you 100%, take it to em boys!

Newegg has it in stock as of this writing, for $189. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117824

Kind of funny: When Ryzen launched, motherboard availability was a problem but CPU availability was fine. When Coffee Lake launched, CPU availability was the problem but motherboard availability was fine. I am trying to make sense of why availability is a problem. Here's what I've come up with so far: * Sometimes, demand for products becomes higher when they're scarce. It makes the product seem more valuable and desirable. * Coffee Lake was released earlier than intended - perhaps the main reason for waiting was just so there would be sufficient supply. * Since Coffee Lake isn't noteworthy architecturally (the extra cores and performance-per-dollar is certainly better than KL), maybe Intel predicted it was going to be a lot less popular. But Intel has a bit of an ego problem, so I find it hard to believe they'd expect a product they made (let alone something people have wanted for years) to sell poorly. * By slowly releasing the product, CL will get more attention (case in point: this article). Supply issues doesn't say anything negative about the product itself, so as long as attention is drawn to it, Intel is fresh in people's minds. * Due to competition, Intel doesn't like that they have to charge less than they normally would. If they "arbitrarily" decrease the availability, that increases the value of the product. People who want CL are going to get it no matter what; if they waited this long, they're not going to buy something else. In the long run, Intel will in turn earn more money.

konta:

dude, you have the most overclockable processor intel ever put out! (since all latter ones are ruined by terrible TIM the statement kinda stands) oc it, today! 😀

Yeah I don't get it... why custom build a PC with a K series CPU and a nice heatsink but not OC after all this time?

I didn't realize how much AMD frightened Intel! The Coffee Lake paper release proves it. I'm so glad Intel now has some serious competition. How long would we have waited for "mainstream" hexacore CPUs from Intel. And at "mainstream" prices, no less. Competition is a beautiful thing and long overdue.

Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.

signex:

Almost took the bait and bought a Z370 board and a 8350K, but seeing the benchmarks it's not worth the extra investment. Them boards look gorgeous though, i wanted to get the Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming it costs less then closest AM4 version. Z370 costs 189,99 euro, X370 217,99 euro.

The 8350K is a stupid buy anyway. What you should order instead is the i5 8400. i3 8350K here in Sweden: 1790 SEK, 4C/4T, sure it's unlocked but. i5 8400K here in Sweden: 1890 SEK, 6C/6T, the base clock of 2.8 GHz may look low but the all core boost is 3.8 GHz and the single core boost is 4.0 GHz so don't view it as a 2.8 GHz chip but as a 3.8-4.0 GHz one. Ryzen 5 1600 by comparision is 2055 SEK, 6C/12T for sure and boosts up to 3.6 GHz and I guess you can OC to 3.9 or whatever. So it has HT over the Intel chip but the Intel chip has the more efficient codes and game code for it. Overclocked i3s I'd say has always been a bad buy. i5 8400 perform about as well as i7 7700K, in Linus tech tips test it ran games about as well as the 8700K which cost twice as much. Right now the 8700K is only worth it vs the 8400 for productivity loads or overclocking.

bobmitch:

Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.

Not sure they are holding out, more like they are pre-mature on the release. They can't fill supply, but want to have something out so buyers may wait.

I figure part of Intel's strategy is to sell a bunch of Z300-series motherboards now such that, come Q1 2018, when Ryzen+ processors hit the market and Coffee Lake is finally available in quantity a number of consumers will already be saddled with Intel motherboards.

kruno:

It is not worth it.No IPC improvements over Kaby Lake ,just higher clocks with considerably higher temperatures.Deliding is obligatory if you want to oc or some high end (read very expensive) water cooling but you should do very likely both.The POS TIM that Intel is using simply can not withstand 6 cores CPU.

The extra cores is worth it for anyone buying into the platform relative the older stuff.

bobmitch:

Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.

I never tried New Coke but I heard it was a legitimately better product from those who weren't biased or afraid of new things. The reason people got in a hissy-fit was because they didn't like that it was different. People hate change. Coke was trying to make a product that appealed to a wider audience. For the record, I prefer Pepsi, but Coke didn't deserve the crap they got. Anyway, what Intel is doing is very different from what Coke did. In fact I'd say it's kind of the opposite: Intel is doing too much of the same things they've always done, and in technology, evolution is a necessity to be successful, or at least relevant. In terms of strictly numbers, AMD may have an overall worse product but they're showing much more progress and their future looks promising. So, I don't disagree that Intel may be trying to clear inventory or may be too arrogant to admit mistakes, but I think the real problem is they're getting too cocky about their decade of success and it may backfire.

geopsun:

I figure part of Intel's strategy is to sell a bunch of Z300-series motherboards now such that, come Q1 2018, when Ryzen+ processors hit the market and Coffee Lake is finally available in quantity a number of consumers will already be saddled with Intel motherboards.

Indeed. Most people buy their motherboards first, then sit around and wait for a CPU they can use it with. I did this with my car. Bought the steering wheel, and then waited for the rest of the car to be delivered.

Kaarme:

A friend asked if I followed the PC hardware development since he's about to build a new gaming computer. I adviced to wait a little to see how Coffee Lake is about to perform since it's to be released very soon. I had no idea Intel was doing a paper launch in practice. I guess I'll have to inform him of this unless he already noticed it by himself. He was considering a Ryzen system anyway (no wonder before Coffee Lake), so maybe it doesn't matter much.

Tell him to get i5 8400 and he'll be happy.

xIcarus:

The 1600X is still a strong contender though, it beats the crap out of both the 8700k and the 1700X in price/performance. You can't ask for more in 60Hz gaming.

Only because the i7 8700K cost TWICE that of the i5 8400. Compare Ryzen 5 1600X vs i5 8400 though and it become less exciting. I do some (average) UserBenchmarks numbers (i5 8400 vs Ryzen 5 1600X) for the sake of it: Single core: 125 vs 110, 8400 +14% vs 1600X Quad core: 486 vs 404, 8400 +20% vs 1600X Multi core: 723 vs 922, 1600X +28% vs 8400. So of course the 1600X wins the multi-core test but in games (and AVX and cache and memory performance?) and price it won't. The i5 8400 is the greatest chip they released. Half price of 8700K and basically just lose HT and OC, very similar performance to stock i7 7700K at lower power consumption and price.

aliquis:

Tell him to get i5 8400 and he'll be happy.

I think you mean: Tell him to try to get an i5 8400, but in reality wait, wait some more, then keep waiting, until one day he'd finally get an i5 8400. But no, I won't tell him that. I won't tell anybody serious to get a locked CPU unless it's for a special purpose. I wouldn't get a locked CPU for my main desktop myself, so it would be iffy to recommend one to someone else. His hardware needs are no lesser than mine, he just doesn't invest the time to follow the scene.

I seriously doubt that Kaby Lake stock is an issue here. If they really wanted to get rid of such a surplus, then they should have reduced prices on those and release Coffee Lake later... The whole Z370 platform is so typical Intel, I'm pretty sure all of these CPUs could have worked on Z270 and a "Z390" with a supposed mainstream 8 core would have made much more sense later on.

By one online German shop it said this; Ordered - In stock expected 26.10.2017 https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu

-Tj-:

By one online German shop it said this; Ordered - In stock expected 26.10.2017 https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu

Wow, 20 days. And even when they get more stock there's no telling how much they'll get (it'll probably go out of stock again after a few minutes). Paper launches always suck. To anyone looking to get Coffee Lake this year, all I can say is: good luck.

This only confirms the suspicions which aroused right after the "announcement" of the coffee lake - ExInteligents are desperately trying to counterweight Ryzen, even if it means the "invention" of phantom/hocus pocus CPUs (CPUs that "exist" only in media and in a form of "engineering samples"). The truth is, they simply cannot produce it NOW, it's just a red cloth waved in front of bull's nose etc. etc.. They are knock downed, thus in a bad need of a breath, in a bad need of a time-out, time-out, time-out......

Not sure if this has been posted: Interesting break down of cpu sales this year in Europe. Intel had to release something. September is not included. AMD finally surpassed Intel CPU sales at Europe’s biggest PC market http://digiworthy.com/2017/09/02/amd-surpass-intel-cpu-sales/ https://i2.wp.com/digiworthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/amd-vs-intel-cpu-mindfac_02.png