Inno3D Warns that mining can break Warranty on their GPUs
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Venix
Even though i have no love for miners ,i recognise it is their right to do what ever they want with their hardware ! Mining blender or folding or gaming . What is going to be next? Always on drm with aplications you are allowed to use on the hardware you own ?
nicugoalkeper
I'm not so sure they don't have a way to see if the card was running 24 hours a day and maybe they have something that counts wath is nost used in that interval (or maybe something in the drivers that signals the usage).
Kaarme
Inno3D is in the video card business so you'd think they know what they are doing. We can speculate here and call it stupid or appropriate, but in the end it's Inno3D's own business they are betting on, so ultimately they are the best experts.
Of course they have the right (as long as they aren't breaking any laws). It's a different thing if they lose the warranty. I mean, you can also run your boat's outboard motor in the air. It might soon overheat and become a useless lump of metal, but it's your motor, so you are allowed to do whatever you want with it, not just propel your boat around with it. It would probably be difficult to try to get a replacement unit through the warranty, though. All devices have their intended use and the warranty typically only covers that. Use it atypically and you bear the responsibility. A video card's intended use is to power video games (and of course the general desktop use, but that's nothing).
SoloCreep
Yeah, that will stop them! Thanks for the laugh though.
Venix
yes i get that Kaarme but let's say i literally have no life for X reason and i game 20 hours a day ... is that out of the cards intended use ?
CrazY_Milojko
Another question comes up from this... If manufacturer of "dead because of mining" graphic card can obtain from NVidia telemetry data send by NVidia driver and/or GeForce Eperience (never did a check: can graphic card SN can be inserted into graphics card BIOS?) and use it as a proof that GPU was (ab)used 24/7 for months/years for mining?... just wondering, hmmmm....
Silva
We have to look at the big picture here:
For typical gaming usage, the card will work maybe 4 hours a day at most (2920h in 2 years). It will not break in 2 years for sure and thus the 5 year average life time (7300h) makes sense, although probably you'll upgrade before that.
For typical workloads, most people work 8 hours a day (5840h in 2 years) and even if you leave the computer over night, you won't use it 24/7. Most probably it will not break in 2 years and you'll need to upgrade before it does.
Now mining...24/7 workload...17520h over 2 years...if you're rendering or using it 24/7 you'd need to upgrade too after 2 years so what's the point of RMA? The problem is the second hand market: "fully functional card, brand new and never mined. Overclocks like a champ!"
Raider0001
average lifetime of a graphic card depends hardly on environmental conditions, besides temperature which will surely short capacitors life, look also at the electricity quality, the bigger the farm the worse it gets to provide that and also those PSUs have to work hardly with multiple of graphic cards - which just does not happen in a proper build gaming pc
i think all of them will be dead or dying by that time, simple test would be to check how those polymer caps hold up with ESR - all of them = mining
Noisiv
One of those threads where people are actively looking for a ways to be offended.
You dont mine? Then this warning doesn't apply to you.
Proly it doesn't apply to a small time, casual miner with 1 or even several gpus either.
But if you have bought pack of 50(or 5000!) GTX1060 and you're RMA-ing 20 of them, then Inno will want to have a talk with you. And proly any other AIB (or more likely retailer), and even without warning like this, they would want to know why is someone RMA-ing huge volume of their products.
And if you are a dick whose goona lie, they cant prove that you have been mining, as most of you know very well. They can't prove it in a legal manner anyway, and most likely in any manner. So yeah... me so angry at Inno wtf 😀
Reddoguk
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that these 3rd party card makers have some sort of test to analyze the previous usage of said card. Maybe they could remove a capacitor and test for aging of said cap.
I believe they will have some method or their words are useless white noise. Caps could be a way, you take a new cap and test how much juice it has new. These things dry out over time/usage so they could know how far along a card is, maybe?
Noisiv
Nice idea, but this warning is NOT aimed or worded against 24/7 gpu usage. And this is not by accident.
Despite the fact that unlike pro cards, GPU vulgaris is not built for 24/7, many of them are used in such anner. And every AIB knows better than to stir the hornet nest by waning against 24/7 usage with potential backlash.
FeDaYin
In winter, what about 2 hours gaming, then idle 2 hours, then 2 hours gaming, then idle 2 hours, then 2 hours gaming etc ? Isn't this warmup cycle really bad for video cards ? Moisture, sweat and stuff ?
Noisiv
of course it is worse than 24/7
although itcan happen, I've never lost a pc component in-game. always during boot or startup
Silva
Buy a meter for humidity and a dehumidifier. I have one in my house and never have any issue. I set the guy to 60%, it works a couple hours a day and takes 3/4L of water.
rl66
let crypto currency fall from another 20% and it won't be a problem anymore (and we could have GPU in shop again)
Kaarme
I don't think they are especially worried about rare cases like yours, running one or two GPUs. It's all about larger statistics. If mining hadn't see such a craze, I doubt the manufacturers would have bothered to pay too much attention to it. It just grew too large to ignore. However, they can't very well tell people they can't game too much, considering these cards are made and marketed for gaming. They rely on statistic revealing most people don't game as much as you do. Mining on a large scale hurts those statistics.
ubercake
This just opens the door for all the vendors to have the same warranty policy and release the latest GTX 1080 Ti Founder's Mining Edition at $1200 with a 1-year warranty.
tyr8338
This says to me that Inno3D cards quality is poor and I should never buy them. Seriously, graphic card should work for those 2 years after purchase no matter what you do with it, today`s electronic devices are advanced enough to just lower clocks and voltages even when put into cramped case. If their product cant live thru 2 years of 24/7 usage then they should just stop cutting corners with component quality... Bad PR move on thier part....
scatman839
Hidden, non accessible to anything or anyone but someone who knows exactly what component to test, time counter of above 80% usage.
allesclar
Not surprised at Inno3D because of their build quality in the past. I have only ever had one Inno3D graphics card and only ever had one graphics die on me. First prize goes to the first who can guess?
