HDD Sales Declined, cut in half in 2022
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wavetrex
p.s. I know a few things about storage...
Venix
I have 1tb nvme 500 gb sata SSD and 256gb SSD where the os is cause what I do on the computer will have 0 impact to move it on the nvme really and a 2tb Toshiba hdd and a 3tb tosiba hdd the HDDs have no game installs at all, I use em for bulk storage if they die I do not really care and they are pretty much on stand by 99% of the time hell I hear em spinning when ever I access em 😛 any other time they are silent and parked, now about getting rid of sata I am all in for it but we will need a few more nvme spots, the 2 that the midrange motherboards have are not enough.
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Agonist
I still use mechanical for stuff. I hate over 20TB in my gaming rig. 6TB internal, 6tb external, 3TB external. Was $99 for a 6TB in 2021 with a 5 year warranty. Cant beat that. Already have 2x1TB and 4TB ssd plus my nvme.
My thread ripper uses 4x12TB drives plus NVME for OS, 3TB for steam games with a 1TB SSD for cache drive.
When 4TB SSD cost as much still as a 1st gen threadripper board, you cant convince me to buy another one.
Glottiz
Thankfully SSDs are far more reliable than HDDs. I have an old 840 EVO, my first ever SSD, which is nearly 10 yeas old now, and it's still basically as fast as on day 1. HDDs at this age start to act weirdly, slow down, start emitting clickety clacketing sounds and you just worry that they will die any moment.
TLD LARS
Backblaze failure stats shows a slightly better reliability on SSD compared to HDD, but it is still too early to know for sure and generally 2-5 SSDs are needed to store the same amount of data as a HDD.
You may have a good Samsung 840 EVO, but a friend got a bad model OCZ disk that only lasted ½ year, the replacement disk lasted less then ½ year, the shop then gave him a different brand and admitted high failure rates on all OCZ disks of that model.
One disk is not enough for valid usable reliability numbers.
I am pretty sure i can start up my old WD 40GB disk that was used for 10 years and then transferred to a satellite box for recording TV, the sat box died because of a lightning strike, but I was able to connect the drive to a PC and transfer all the data afterwards.
TimmyP
I still have a perfectly fine Intel x25-V SSD from 2010. Its one of the first SSDs.
0blivious
In my rig: A 1tb nvme and a 2tb nvme, only. No more deciding which games go on the "fast" drive. I'm never going back.
I still have portable mechanicals but I've moved on to using 2.5" drives. Less wires; speed, to me, isn't critical for their application and 3.5 drives aren't exactly fast.
On a related note, I got one of those newish, portable SSD thumb drives for xmas. Tiny and wicked fast. Read and write is up to 500/400 mb/sec. (Thumbs up!) ($50 for 512GB)
geogan
I had one of those early fast PCI-E based OCZ Revodrive SSDs (which were actually some sort of RAID array) and it also failed and I lost all data on it. Luckily it was on last days of warranty so I got a replacement for free.
Reardan
OCZ made shit products, thats why they don't exist anymore.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/4-SSDvsHDD-controlled-Q2-2022.jpg
This graph is not going to get better over time for the disks that spin at thousands of RPMs. It's only going to get worse. HDDs are significantly less reliable than SSDs, your 40GB WD that "probably works" not withstanding.
Mufflore
Major annoyances of NVME drives are lack of ease transferring a drive between systems. Needs a screwdriver and damages heatsink contact.
And no ability to prevent an NVME drive being seen by an OS once connected, it cannot be disabled in the CMOS.
An NVME drive can be used in a USB caddy but it loses performance and lacks storage space still.
For these reasons SATA still has a place.
And large SATA hard drives rule for live storage where speed doesnt matter. ie movies, security recordings, old games, music ...
I keep mine powered down until needed, saving power and wear. It takes <5 seconds powering up to watch a movie.
It was inevitable HDD sales would drop but will take quite some time to fade away.
No doubt prices will rise due to smaller scale production, speeding up the switch over to SSD for most.
By then much cheaper, larger, slower, cooler running SSDs will be commonplace which should see HDDs on the way out.
But for now my large HDDs rock 🙂
RealNC
At least you have those warning signs. SSDs are apparently made to just brick themselves suddenly, refuse to boot, and leave you no time to copy data off of them. What an excellent design choice :P
hansip87
PC is definitely not the place for HDD anymore, but it still have its place on NAS ecosystem. I think that's where they should keep improving, and of course with Seagate and WDC having their own SSD, it's not really big of a deal for them i imagine.
kakiharaFRS
had two times on my main C: (in quite a long time, I run m.2 since they were commercially available)
two different m.2 nvme both because of system instability overclock cpu and ram
crash->unbootable system->cloned it onto another drive->garbled data almost everything on it was unrecoverable, even text files were half gibberish if they opened
any and every file was corrupted not only the latest ones 100% loss
I never had that with regular SSDs nor HDDs that's really bad my current m.2s are either a regularly cloned OS or have files I can get back, like steam games and such O have no confidence in them as if something bad happens it destroys it's whole content pretty much
0blivious
It's definitely a drawback. Sudden death. So far, it's being tempered, for me, by the notion that of all of the 9 SSDs and 6 nvme drives I have ever bought, none have ever failed. They just become too small and obsolete, but still useful as fast portables. Of the 40 or so HDDs I've ever owned, at least 10 have failed, most with some warning, a couple failed spectacularly, instantly, with no apparent warning signs.
The impending, potential, sudden doom of solid state drives is unsettling. Kind of like having a nuclear power plant. Chances are, it's fine and it's amazing as it operates compared to conventional. ...but if it goes bad, it's catastrophic and unrecoverable.
(looks at PC) ...but not you, my precious nvme drives. (knocks on wood)
Reardan
This forum is honestly pathetic, no matter what technology no matter how objectively better it is, a subset of this ENTHUSIAST forum will cling tightly to the garbage that's still clattering around in their computer, taking every opportunity to insist: "no no, it's actually better" because of some super specific and weird reason, like the assertion that hard drives don't just die, and pretending that being able to have a specialist copy the data off your dead fucking drive is somehow better than just having a working drive that is just objectively more reliable.
Me personally I prefer hard drives that don't die, that's why I use SSDs.
Mannerheim
i would buy 40-200GB ATA HDD new if there were any 😀
Astyanax
except, ssds do just die
hard drives do just die.
Glottiz
I agree. You know what else is funny? All these whiners and self proclaimed data storage masters don't seem to be using any of the basic data backup principles like 3-2-1. If you have to rely on the fact that sometimes HDD allows you to copy some data before fully dying you are doing data storage wrong, you dumbass.
RealNC
Who the hell backs up their game installs?
Glottiz
What are you going on about? Few posts back you said how important was to copy data from dying drive for you now it's not important? Make up your mind. You just seem to change your opinion with every post to be contrarian.
