Graphics are starting to look dated.

^agreed. But still looks funny, how they helplessly loosen all their muscle-tone just after a carhit. Overall the car driving, physics was the best in gta4 though.

Is that a joke? GTA games have never been about the graphics.

Can we stop with "it's not about the graphics" nonsense already. One has nothing to do with the other. Brilliant graphics help a game, period. Graphics that look dated, lack polish, etc. take away from a game, period. You can make a good game with good graphics, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

What he meant was, graphics are the last thing rockstar are going to bother with. like all the previous gta games.. It's their formula and way of doing things.

Which is still a negative point and should be addressed as such.

What's the point of addressing it? You can criticize Rockstar all the want, but premium graphics are just unreasonable with the scope of the game. It was unreasonable back then, and it still is now. Maybe if it was a PC exclusive game I could see where you're coming from.

And even then, I wouldn't expect such a thing from rockstar. you can talk about how a game like just cause 2 may have better graphics and stuff. but that game is basically a barren wasteland. there's barely anything going on, with like 1 or 2 big cities with ****ty AI and stuff. The amount of crap going on in GTA IV is unreal, you can actually take a moment and people watch in GTA IV and see interactions. not to mention the variety in pedestrians, and the fact that they actually carry items on them that can fall off and such.

Due to the scale of the game, GTA is never going to the be the prettiest game ever, it's just not possible to do both thinga at the same time. It's a similar situation with Arma3, it might be PC only but it piss poor looking, but the scale of it let's you forgive it. GTAV PC i really don't know, if Rockstar have any sense they will dumb down the PC version and make it nothing more than a 1:1 port, with GTAIV they gave people too much freedom to do what they want and it just gave the game a reputation as a bad port, so this time round i don't think they should spend much time on it. As a PC gamer i want them to do the opposite, but logic says otherwise.

Gameplay wise i always found the GTA series is filled with short lived novelties that gets old as quick as any other game no matter how much detail they throw in a city enviro. The detail i want to see is maybe some more interactions with NPC's similar to Skyrim complete with NPC's having jobs, houses and daily activities..etc. Obviously the scale difference would present a problem due to hardware, but so far i haven't seen anything in GTA5 that makes me really give a damn anymore. How many times can it be fun to pick up a hooker, run people over...etc. The core gameplay is still pretty linear, the rest feels like a mixture of time wasters and mini games.

For me it's the opposite, I can just spend hours roaming the streets in GTA games. whereas Skyrim, I'd die of boredom just walking around.