GeForce GTX series 980 Ti and below will not get Adaptive Sync Support

JohnLai

2019-01-16 18:03

It means they can, but they won't do it. The guy basically just confirmed despite the "lack of DP 1.2a" certification, they can implement VESA A.S. for Maxwell and Kepler, yet they have "no plan" to do so. Technically, maxwell and kepler are 'DP1.2a compatible'.

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Denial

2019-01-16 18:14

JohnLai:

It means they can, but they won't do it. The guy basically just confirmed despite the "lack of DP 1.2a" certification, they can implement VESA A.S. for Maxwell and Kepler, yet they have "no plan" to do so. Technically, maxwell and kepler are 'DP1.2a compatible'.

I think you're reading too much into it. AMD originally listed the 7000 series as Freesync compatible then pulled it - later they pushed DP1.2a into VESA spec for the 200 series and got flack because some of the rebrands (280x) didn't support it. There's clearly something required about 1.2a hardware to do freesync. If it was just a firmware update or something they would have at least supported it on 280x.

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JohnLai

2019-01-16 18:25

Denial:

I think you're reading too much into it. AMD originally listed the 7000 series as Freesync compatible then pulled it - later they pushed DP1.2a into VESA spec for the 200 series and got flack because some of the rebrands (280x) didn't support it. There's clearly something required about 1.2a hardware to do freesync. If it was just a firmware update or something they would have at least supported it on 280x.

The original Bonaire HD 7790 (the second generation GCN) before being rebranded as R7 260X did support Freesync and it was released in March 2013....... I agree there is certain requirement for 1.2a VESA A.S, but considering GTX 650 Ti BOOST was also released in March 2013........plus all big three gpu makers (including Intel) have access to the DP specification and draft........plus both GPU are capable of VRR........and confirmation from both Nvidia and AMD that their VRR made use of VBlank 'feature'..........am I really reading too much into it?

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JOHN30011887

2019-01-16 18:32

I hope they add hdmi support at least, my rtx 2080 is hdmi 2.0 and so is the amd monitor im getting

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clamatac

2019-01-16 19:08

it is clear they have cheat on us and they continue doing it

#5628374

hazel1

2019-01-16 19:15

JOHN30011887:

I hope they add hdmi support at least, my rtx 2080 is hdmi 2.0 and so is the amd monitor im getting

i hope too ,and i do like to know sooner if they will support it so i don't waste my time hoping ;v .

#5628379

Denial

2019-01-16 19:35

JohnLai:

The original Bonaire HD 7790 (the second generation GCN) before being rebranded as R7 260X did support Freesync and it was released in March 2013....... I agree there is certain requirement for 1.2a VESA A.S, but considering GTX 650 Ti BOOST was also released in March 2013........plus all big three gpu makers (including Intel) have access to the DP specification and draft........plus both GPU are capable of VRR........and confirmation from both Nvidia and AMD that their VRR made use of VBlank 'feature'..........am I really reading too much into it?

AFAIK the 7790 doesn't support Freesync. Bit-Tech reported it did back in the day but other sites were unsure. AMD doesn't list it as compatible and there is a reddit thread of someone not being able to get it working. The R7 260x has DP1.2a and thus supports it. Why does it matter who had access and when? The card doesn't physically have 1.2a. Probably because it was an interim release with only one purpose - and Nvidia was already filling that with G-Sync. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1094486/geforce-drivers/maxwell-and-adaptive-sync/post/5966340/#5966340 FWIW he further clarifies it here. Again, if there was just a firmware update or something then AMD would have done it back with the 280x and whatnot.

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siriq

2019-01-16 20:20

Technically Nvidia able to do it, just do not want to do the job done.

#5628414

RealNC

2019-01-16 20:30

NVidia clearly holds their own customers in high regard. /s I don't need the support since I have a g-sync display, but goddammit nvidia. That's borderline contempt for your customers who bought into Team Green, giving them a corporate platitude response. "We don't have plans." Really? You could at least have said "it's not possible, unfortunately." Even if it was a lie, you would not come off as ditching your customers.

#5628415

Kaarme

2019-01-16 20:31

I can imagine Nvidia will consider it an incentive to encourage people to upgrade. In the end Nvidia won't gain anything from a person buying a Freesync screen, but they will from a person buying a new Nvidia video card. While 980Ti is an able card still, in general there are already two newer generations of GPUs from Nvidia, so Maxwell is old. From AMD there's only one new generation after those times, so relatively AMD cards from back then are still fresher, in a manner of speaking (in a stupid manner of speaking).

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Fox2232

2019-01-16 20:32

Denial:

AFAIK the 7790 doesn't support Freesync. Bit-Tech reported it did back in the day but other sites were unsure. AMD doesn't list it as compatible and there is a reddit thread of someone not being able to get it working. The R7 260x has DP1.2a and thus supports it. Why does it matter who had access and when? The card doesn't physically have 1.2a. Probably because it was an interim release with only one purpose - and Nvidia was already filling that with G-Sync. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1094486/geforce-drivers/maxwell-and-adaptive-sync/post/5966340/#5966340 FWIW he further clarifies it here. Again, if there was just a firmware update or something then AMD would have done it back with the 280x and whatnot.

Here is the thing. HD 7790 does not support True Audio either. Flash in vBIOS from R7-260X and there it is... ready to serve.

#5628417

Denial

2019-01-16 20:33

I like how everyone saying that Nvidia could do it, but offer no proof how, no logical thought about why AMD didn't do it back when freesync launched, nothing. It's just magic, they just magically do it with a leather jacket wand.

Fox2232:

Here is the thing. HD 7790 does not support True Audio either. Flash in vBIOS from R7-260X and there it is... ready to serve.

The 7790 is GCN2. Does the same vBIOS update enable Freesync? Why didn't AMD enable Freesync on 280x despite public outcry about it? Like where was the "Technically AMD can do it but they want people to upgrade from 280x's to 290x's!" arguments then?

#5628419

siriq

2019-01-16 20:36

Denial:

I like how everyone saying that Nvidia could do it, but offer no proof how, no logical thought about why AMD didn't do it back when freesync launched, nothing. It's just magic, they just magically do it with a leather jacket wand. The 7790 is GCN2. Does the same vBIOS update enable Freesync?

Even maxwell in laptops able to do adaptive sync long time ago. Here is the key why and able to do it to the rest of the maxwell users.

#5628420

Denial

2019-01-16 20:37

siriq:

Even maxwell in laptops able to do adaptive sync long time ago. Here is the key why and able to do it to the rest of the maxwell users.

Because eDP has supported variable VBlank prior to DP1.2a becoming a thing? It was used for power savings in laptops for years prior. The regular DP standard never supported it until 1.2a. Strangely every card that supports it happens to be 1.2a or eDP.

#5628422

RealNC

2019-01-16 20:37

Denial:

I like how everyone saying that Nvidia could do it, but offer no proof how, no logical thought about why AMD didn't do it back when freesync launched, nothing. It's just magic, they just magically do it with a leather jacket wand.

The response was "no plans", not "it's technically not feasible." "No plans" translates to "we don't want to" instead of "we can't." Maybe he misspoke though. I don't know. But in any event, "no plans" is like a middle finger.

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siriq

2019-01-16 20:38

Denial:

Because eDP has supported variable VBlank prior to DP1.2a becoming a thing? It was used for power savings for years prior. The regular DP standard never supported it.

That is why working nvidia in the back on hdmi support.... or so. They can do it if they want to do it. Simple. So technically able to do it but do not want to. Same story as Fermi DX 12 suport. Lot of users said here , no official driver will come out because it is impossible. Guess what, after the pressure of users they have released it. Sad part, users just accept what company's saying.

#5628424

Denial

2019-01-16 20:39

RealNC:

The response was "no plans", not "it's technically not feasible." "No plans" translates to "we don't want to" instead of "we can't."

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1094486/geforce-drivers/maxwell-and-adaptive-sync/post/5966340/#5966340 Read the rest of the thread.

siriq:

That is why working nvidia in the back on hdmi support.... or so. They can do it if they want to do it. Simple. So technically able to do it but do not want to.

HDMI specification permits vendor specific addons and has a protocol for enabling them. https://www.amd.com/Documents/freesync-hdmi.pdf Slide 3.

#5628426

RealNC

2019-01-16 20:41

Denial:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1094486/geforce-drivers/maxwell-and-adaptive-sync/post/5966340/#5966340 Read the rest of the thread.

OK, that's a better response. The initial one was quite aggravating.

#5628427

siriq

2019-01-16 20:43

Denial:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1094486/geforce-drivers/maxwell-and-adaptive-sync/post/5966340/#5966340 Read the rest of the thread. HDMI specification permits vendor specific addons and has a protocol for enabling them. https://www.amd.com/Documents/freesync-hdmi.pdf Slide 3.

So nvidia can .

#5628434

yasamoka

2019-01-16 20:48

siriq:

So nvidia can .

Read properly, please.