I'm so tempted to make a pie chart with those numbers lol.

didn't even know there was a 3rd graphics card company, really funny they are on that list as the last card they made looks to be the Chrome® 540 GTX back in 2009, 2010. their website still works as well.

But where is Matrox 😕 +21% compared to 2015. is huge

But where is Matrox 😕 +21% compared to 2015. is huge

that was a fun little trip i took looking through all their cards lol

Tell S3 I still hate them for selling the Savage 2000 with defective hardware that was incapable of doing what they advertised. It was never capable of hardware T&L. Honestly I really wish there was a player around aside from AMD and nVidia.

Tell S3 I still hate them for selling the Savage 2000 with defective hardware that was incapable of doing what they advertised. It was never capable of hardware T&L. Honestly I really wish there was a player around aside from AMD and nVidia.

There is, but, they lost on desktop already and would rather take the mobile market now, like ipad.

There is, but, they lost on desktop already and would rather take the mobile market now, like ipad.

I meant a contender in the high end GPU market. That hasn't been a thing forever. It feels like I've been waiting an eternity for Vega.

I meant a contender in the high end GPU market. That hasn't been a thing forever. It feels like I've been waiting an eternity for Vega.

No-one in their right mind would even try now. I feel it's too late. The closest recently would be Intel's Larrabee, which in the end didn't happen. Not even Intel would take a chance, that speaks volumes. Hardware alone will not win market share. For any newcomer, there would be a mountain to climb just getting the driver-side of things up to scratch to support the PC back catalogue. The work on drivers/software alone would kill most start-up companies before they'd even got anywhere. Nevermind trying to convince the PC crowd (who are stuck in their ways, I'll admit) to spend the money to literally gamble on whether they'd even stick around long enough to resolve issues. Such a company would need an extremely robust business plan to stay in the game. IMHO, Imagination is the only company right now who could give it a go, but, as I said, they've lost once already and they know it. They'd rather go from bottom-up rather than build top-down. Nothing wrong with that approach as they are leaders in their field right now. At the end of the day, people deal with 2 choices better than 3. That's why there's the saying "3 is a crowd". 2 cpu choices, 2 gpu choices shared between 3 companies. That's enough for most people (unfortunately). https://www.imgtec.com/powervr/graphics/furian/

Nevermind trying to convince the PC crowd (who are stuck in their ways, I'll admit) to spend the money to literally gamble on whether they'd even stick around long enough to resolve issues. Such a company would need an extremely robust business plan to stay in the game.

I was a kid and I used that logic to buy a geforce 3 v/s a newbie. I think it was called a kyro 2. Had a lot of buzz about being cheaper and **** but it dropped off later.

I was a kid and I used that logic to buy a geforce 3 v/s a newbie. I think it was called a kyro 2. Had a lot of buzz about being cheaper and **** but it dropped off later.

I had a Geforce2 Ultra and 1.33Ghz AMD Thunderbird around this time. Kyro 2 problems; http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/86466-33-kyro-part

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Any market with 2 options ends up being a crap shoot, with the two options working together, and the consumers being thoroughly raped of all humanity. Pretty sure AMD/ATI and nVidia have been sued for that at least once in the past and actually lost. As for viability, I don't think it's so much a technological challenge for Intel as it is a patent issue. Every possible thing imaginable, which shouldn't be able to be, is patented. There's very little in the technological world that can be done which there aren't 20 patents on. People often wonder why X or Y phone doesn't have extremely obvious thing W or Z, that's because even though it seems insane if true, those things are in fact patented and the owner of the patent (Apple, HP, etc) are dicks and won't license them fairly (as far as "fair" for a BS patent which shouldn't exist goes anyway). Fingerprint scanner on the side of a device? HP owns that patent, FU Sony, $1000 per phone for that patent license. Don't like it? Too bad. And that's why Sony phones have their fingerprint scanners disabled in the US. Also why Chinese manufacturers have a hard time entering the US market. Just a reminder that Apple's over a billion dollar lawsuit against Samsung is mostly based on a patent to a rectangle with rows of icons on it. TL;DR - It's hard for Intel to so much as fart in the GPU industry without being sued for infringing 9001 patents. It makes getting anything done insanity.

Any market with 2 options ends up being a crap shoot, with the two options working together, and the consumers being thoroughly raped of all humanity. Pretty sure AMD/ATI and nVidia have been sued for that at least once in the past and actually lost. As for viability, I don't think it's so much a technological challenge for Intel as it is a patent issue. Every possible thing imaginable, which shouldn't be able to be, is patented. There's very little in the technological world that can be done which there aren't 20 patents on. People often wonder why X or Y phone doesn't have extremely obvious thing W or Z, that's because even though it seems insane if true, those things are in fact patented and the owner of the patent (Apple, HP, etc) are dicks and won't license them fairly (as far as "fair" for a BS patent which shouldn't exist goes anyway). Fingerprint scanner on the side of a device? HP owns that patent, FU Sony, $1000 per phone for that patent license. Don't like it? Too bad. And that's why Sony phones have their fingerprint scanners disabled in the US. Also why Chinese manufacturers have a hard time entering the US market. Just a reminder that Apple's over a billion dollar lawsuit against Samsung is mostly based on a patent to a rectangle with rows of icons on it. TL;DR - It's hard for Intel to so much as fart in the GPU industry without being sued for infringing 9001 patents. It makes getting anything done insanity.

Patents is something that in the West is important because of competition, but, detrimental for us the consumers. The Chinese have started adopting a more western approach to patents. However, their domestic market along with many developing countries in the east don't really have the problem we have in the west. It was a long wait for Nintendo's Cross d-pad shape to expire until the X1 gamepad could use it. That's the thing, though, these patents will eventually expire and the wider market will benefit. I think the USA is working on something to sort out the patent troll problem. I do think the system should be changed to allow fair licensing. Intel were reportedly interested in licensing AMD's gpu tech. No word on the progress of that yet.

Patents is something that in the West is important because of competition, but, detrimental for us the consumers. The Chinese have started adopting a more western approach to patents. However, their domestic market along with many developing countries in the east don't really have the problem we have in the west. It was a long wait for Nintendo's Cross d-pad shape to expire until the X1 gamepad could use it. That's the thing, though, these patents will eventually expire and the wider market will benefit. I think the USA is working on something to sort out the patent troll problem. I do think the system should be changed to allow fair licensing. Intel were reportedly interested in licensing AMD's gpu tech. No word on the progress of that yet.

Patents in the US are BS and everyone knows it. Software patents shouldn't even be a thing, it's insane. The hardware patents border on nearly the same level of retardation. Actually, retarded is an extremely fitting word to describe the US patent world, not only is it retarded, it retards the world. Do you know why we rarely ever got games with mini games in their loading screen? Namco/Bandai owned the patent so the only mini games in loading screens you would ever see were pieces of the full game so it wouldn't infringe the patent which Namco would not license. They begrudgingly held onto it to the bitter end until it expired and so countless hours of life were wasted staring at loading screens. Thanks Bandai/Namco. Incidentally, Bandai/Namco are some of the most scummy BS-lords in the world of video games doing the most low level scum things imaginable. But that's a story I don't want to get into, but now you know why they'll never get a cent out of me. Sadly there's a lot of companies on that list. Whenever an entity/company becomes large enough, it's no longer running off the minds of the original set of people who had a vision for the company; it's a machine made to make profit with entire divisions devoted to the sole purpose of that at any cost. That's why giant companies always end up being really scummy in one way or another.