What I need. Is a self repairing screen. 🙂

Burn-In != Image Retention I still don't think that OLEDs even have a Burn-In problem at all. This technology cannot burn-in from my understanding of how OLED operates. However, what happens is that some OLEDs might die after extensive usage, which would result in lost pixels. But I have never seen a Burn-In issue as such with OLED panels before. And this test from RTINGS just confirms it. Most people confuse Burn-In with Image Retention, as these two issues are completely two different things. Image Retention always was a temporary effect with OLEDs, as those mechanisms like Pixel-Refresh and other functions implemented on the TV are there to maintain those issues to significantly reduce the chance of the OLEDs to die. Maybe when OLED panels were first introduced, the first samples might have been faulty or bugged to some extent which caused unseen or unexpected behaviours in the past. But with the current standard of OLEDs I think you can safely assume that we are already way past that stage.

TalentX:

Burn-In != Image Retention I still don't think that OLEDs even have a Burn-In problem at all. This technology cannot burn-in from my understanding of how OLED operates. However, what happens is that some OLEDs might die after extensive usage, which would result in lost pixels. But I have never seen a Burn-In issue as such with OLED panels before. And this test from RTINGS just confirms it. Most people confuse Burn-In with Image Retention, as these two issues are completely two different things. Image Retention always was a temporary effect with OLEDs, as those mechanisms like Pixel-Refresh and other functions implemented on the TV are there to maintain those issues to significantly reduce the chance of the OLEDs to die. Maybe when OLED panels were first introduced, the first samples might have been faulty or bugged to some extent which caused unseen or unexpected behaviours in the past. But with the current standard of OLEDs I think you can safely assume that we are already way past that stage.

so everything manufacturers have to do is describe the definition of burn in problem in their guarantee agreement with the customer and include a "zero burn in guarantee" term. confusion will be gone and customers will be happy buying an oled display ( including me ) . But is this going to happen ?

I do have an LG Oled C7 with permanent burn in of a logo of a channel and the yamaha receiver piano screensaver and no matter how many "pixel refresh" cycles I put it through it doesn't go away. So for older Oled it is permanent. I do own a Samsung S95b and LG C9 so far those TVs have no problem but I doubt they ever will since my wife "learned" her lesson during the covid shit 🙂 And she doesn't return the same channel over and over again and leaves the tv on a static image for hours 🙂 .

This video popped up in my feed a couple of days ago and as an OLED owner (LG E6) who knows all about burn-in. I though to myself, this is going to be click bate. I actually found the video quite informative but I do not agree with their conclusion through personal experience. Case and point for me is the image comparison at 8:36 in the video. Even on my ultra old 6bit PC monitor I can see the stuck image issues in the 'after' picture. I choose OLED not only for its superior contrast ratios but also for its normally much better screen uniformity. The 'after' image at 8:36 is not uniform in any way and I know viewing that grayscale slide in a dark room would highlight those retention deformities even more. Also I would say in the case of OLED at least, you really also need to be testing using all color fields; Red, Green, Blue, Cyan, Yellow, Magenta. Especially those OLED with a white pixel. It seems to me they are taking the term burn-in literately. To me, any image retention which is permanent is burn-in regardless if the image has actually burned a layer in the panel. While I was happy I watched the video, I don't think any true videophile would agree with their conclusions.

The C9 developed a windows taskbar visible only in the full screen colour light pink and a RTSS overlay top left corner visible in yellow full screen only. 1 Pixel refresher and they are almost invisible. In the 4 years I've had the TV top right a cluster of pixels right in the corner have died though you can't see them unless you walk up to the corner and run a white screen. Overall it's a good TV and I have insurance on it til 2026 for faults.

Tell that to the people who have the Windows task bar burned permanently into their OLEDs and nothing helps in getting rid of it :P

GlassGR:

so everything manufacturers have to do is describe the definition of burn in problem in their guarantee agreement with the customer and include a "zero burn in guarantee" term. confusion will be gone and customers will be happy buying an oled display ( including me ) . But is this going to happen ?

No, because as @Razoola already mentioned, if the methods that prevent image retention from happening fails without recovering its purpose, then you technically end up with a burn-in problem. But I personally have never seen this happen. And my guess was that probably the oldest OLED models were suffering from this. With new OLEDs Sony for example has several methods to prevent that from happening. A manual pixel refresh may be useful once every year or two (depending on TV usage, but I don't recommend to manually refresh too often, because this manual pixel refresh option will degrade the OLEDs as a side effect) but the actual method that prevents the OLEDs from burning is the so called "pixel shift". It's basically a function that shifts each pixel on every OLED node within a cluster to change their current pixels with each other. LG might have a similar feature (maybe even the same), but I am not sure about that. Also when you shut down your TV it will start pixel refreshing on its own, however, that's not the same method as the pixel refresh maintenance function that you can manually trigger from within your display settings this is why you should not remove the TV from the power cord, even if its shut down. I have seen image retention in my OLED TV once, but after shutting down the TV for a day it vanished and never returned since. Haven't been able to catch a case with image retention ever since (it's been about two years by now), so those features work quite good. However as for the case with the burn in problem, well I understand that some of you ended up experiencing this problem, but may I ask how it happened and after how many hours of TV usage did it happen? It's also not recommended to run the TV for several hours straight, because of the maintenance modes that are triggering when the TV is shut down and those are actually required if you don't want your OLEDs to die too soon. Thus removing it from the power cord is also a bad idea as mentioned before. So there are actually some cautions to consider when you decide to use an OLED TV, and if you don't consider those, you may end up with such problems sooner than later.

TalentX:

Burn-In != Image Retention I still don't think that OLEDs even have a Burn-In problem at all. This technology cannot burn-in from my understanding of how OLED operates. However, what happens is that some OLEDs might die after extensive usage, which would result in lost pixels. But I have never seen a Burn-In issue as such with OLED panels before. And this test from RTINGS just confirms it. Most people confuse Burn-In with Image Retention, as these two issues are completely two different things. Image Retention always was a temporary effect with OLEDs, as those mechanisms like Pixel-Refresh and other functions implemented on the TV are there to maintain those issues to significantly reduce the chance of the OLEDs to die. Maybe when OLED panels were first introduced, the first samples might have been faulty or bugged to some extent which caused unseen or unexpected behaviours in the past. But with the current standard of OLEDs I think you can safely assume that we are already way past that stage.

LG great customer service LG gave me a free 65" OLED screen free of charge out of warranty(value was $2500-$2700 I was told by installer of LG Screen) for the non existent burn-in(occured after 15000+Hrs).Could have been image retention but as a consumer I contacted LG and they were exceptional with there customer service be it burn in or image retention.

RealNC:

Tell that to the people who have the Windows task bar burned permanently into their OLEDs and nothing helps in getting rid of it 😛

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054037826624303215/1162481366894645409/2023-10-13_16_05_19-Settings.png?ex=653c1823&is=6529a323&hm=fb8b3d1291cc7403246f1716de98b3b80637ff92b64deb65e0a00b9f2ce162ce&

AuerX:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054037826624303215/1162481366894645409/2023-10-13_16_05_19-Settings.png?ex=653c1823&is=6529a323&hm=fb8b3d1291cc7403246f1716de98b3b80637ff92b64deb65e0a00b9f2ce162ce&

After burn-in, that option really doesn't do anything other than make the task bar a little bit fainter 😀

That's really good to know, I hope my C2 lasts at least 10 years.

TalentX:

Thus removing it from the power cord is also a bad idea as mentioned before.

I believe that’s true only if you do that just after turning off the TV. But if you leave it enough time on standby, TV will do its magic so then I “pull the plug off”.

So if I'm understanding right: the image retention will gradually fade even without pixel refresh (but pixel refresh just corrects it more quickly)? Because that would really make me much more open to getting an OLED if just simply keeping it off for a few hours is all it takes to remove image retention.

There will be better things out there hopefully by the time my OLED ultrawide Alien turns in to a mess (2-3 years?). Now if only recycling these things locally was easier, I probably have half a dozen old monitors in a closet somewhere...

schmidtbag:

So if I'm understanding right: the image retention will gradually fade even without pixel refresh (but pixel refresh just corrects it more quickly)? Because that would really make me much more open to getting an OLED if just simply keeping it off for a few hours is all it takes to remove image retention.

I've been using my CX OLED for a couple of years now, most as a PC monitor but also with the PS5. I check it every now and again and there's no signs of image retention at all. And I've used it with OSD's on for several hours at a time. I think image retention, was more than likely an issue must earlier in panel technology than it is today. I know, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one for gaming.

Just the fact OLED has multiple mitigation techniques to counter its short comings means that OLEDs have a major short coming. The techniques 'working' doesn't mean the short comings aren't there.

RealNC:

Tell that to the people who have the Windows task bar burned permanently into their OLEDs and nothing helps in getting rid of it 😛

Have you tried with a hammer ? 😀

rflair:

Just the fact OLED has multiple mitigation techniques to counter its short comings means that OLEDs have a major short coming. The techniques 'working' doesn't mean the short comings aren't there.

At first smoothbore muskets had a major shortcoming, they were not always accurate. This was largely mitigated by rifling the barrels.

AuerX:

At first smoothbore muskets had a major shortcoming, they were not always accurate. This was largely mitigated by rifling the barrels.

Making the bullet spin to equalize torque and therefore increase accuracy was a great fix.

AuerX:

At first smoothbore muskets had a major shortcoming, they were not always accurate. This was largely mitigated by rifling the barrels.

I don't think that analogy really works. Rifling was actually solving a problem, as opposed to compensating for a defect. OLED mitigation techniques aren't really solving the problem, it's just making the problem less obvious by making the other pixels worse. To stick with weapons, I think a better analogy is knives: through normal use, they are going to dull and tarnish. If they don't cut well, you have to sharpen them. Sharpening the blade might cover up the imperfections, but material is still being removed each time you do it.