1 plot eats about 270 to 300GB writes
1k plots is like 300TBW
10k plots is like 3000TBW most gen 4 nvme drives rated at 3600TBW before failure
12k plots to fully use up 3600TBW writes
you need 1.2PB storage for 12k plots
you can fit 110 plots on 12TB external hard drive which will last 5+ years 24/7/365 usage if configured properly like windows not turning hard drive on and off etc
so, the advertised TBW is false? I mean, if some manufacturer advertises 1000 TBW and it dies sooner, the TBW is not true. Or how to understand this.
Answer could be both Yes and No.
Under normal home/office usage if some consumer 512GB SSD drive has lets say TBW = 800TB and it dies after 700TB inside of 3 or 5 year warranty period there is a valid reason for RMA. Thing is that there is almost impossible for an average user to make so much write trafic under normal home or office usage to get to these 700, 800TB inside 3 to 5 year warranty period.
On the other hand Chia is heavy on SSD controller and NAND cells, a lot of stress for a piece of HW not designed to be fully stressed 24/7, talking about consumer SSD, not those made for enterprise usage. Lets say one buys a family car and gets a 100.000Km or 3 years warranty, sits in a car and drives 24/7 like there is no tomorrow, car not made for heavy usage like that dies within weeks after 50.000Km. Does a car buyer have a full right for car RMA for such non-adequate usage in short period of time... I don't think so.
As @Undying already mentioned Chia miners/farmers should use enterprise SLC or MLC based SSD made for heavy usage 24/7... but those TLC and QLC based consumer SSDs are way way cheaperm of course Chia miners/farmers are targeting cheaper consumer SSDs, guess they don't give a f#*k about cheap consumer SSDs as long as they can get RMA requests accepted for those. For sure SSD manufacturers are going to get clogged with RMA requests for consumer SSDs in next few months. If this Chia bullshit contnues for sure SSD manufacturers are going to adopt new rules for SSD warranty/RMA... or to significantly lower TBW in specs... or to raise the SSD prices ...or everything mentioned.
Interesting story about non-adequate usage of product and refused RMA request... Friend of a friend of mine last winter bought a branded summer sneakers in well known retail, those were on sale. Month and a half later (guess he was wearing them mostly outside), it was February this year iirc, sneakers started to peel off here and there. He took them for an RMA in same retail store: they've refused to RMA those with explanation that those summer sneakers were not used in period of year they were made for (spring & summer). He couldn't do a thing for that RMA to be accepted. Lesson learned... don't use a product outside warranty rules. Guess he should wait for a summer to RMA these sneakers 🙄
To be fair Chia itself says to create the plot (s) using the SSD as a temporary measure then move it to a HDD, creating it does take a lot of time, but only about a day or so. I guess if you have lots of hard drives and create say 1000 plots on the SSD before moving them over then you might also have issues ??????
I did it for a week or so recently, but it came apparent that unless you were in at the start, or near the start, when you could get Chia quite quickly now you need a good percentage of a Petabyte to have a chance of creating money out of it in a relatively short period of time. Hence why the number of hard drives is being bought up similar to graphics cards now.
Even when I was doing the total plot size went from 300 or so Petabytes to about 800. Now it about 5 Exabytes or whatever the next one up is.... and still getting bigger.
Of course the guy who invented it, who also did bittorrent is sitting pretty, along with his workers and friends, they all got the low lying fruit at the start so he is probably a billionaire already if he had any sense as the price is already about $1500 per chia I think.
All of those coins are a massive financial pyramid with little to no actual values. The amount of electricity consumed and waste is insane.
This has to be stopped or at least regulated on a governmental level.
All of those coins are a massive financial pyramid with little to no actual values. The amount of electricity consumed and waste is insane.
This has to be stopped or at least regulated on a governmental level.
Chia space used is it 6000PB!!!
in 2 days they jumped from 5000PB of storage to 6000PB.
and when all of these SSD will die, its just waste, nothing to do with them.
and yes, its not ecological at all. the more SSD and plot you farm at the same time, the faster the CPU must be. and for sure the drives are running all the time, which is consuming power for sure.
Maybe one could try to mine it on a virtual RAM Disk instead. One may need lots of RAM, though. Better than trashing SSDs and performance could potentially be better, too.
so, the advertised TBW is false? I mean, if some manufacturer advertises 1000 TBW and it dies sooner, the TBW is not true. Or how to understand this.
No. der8auer has tested Chia farming and he found that to create a single 100GB plot, the farming program did over 1.3TB of writes (he mentions this at the 6:30 mark in the video below). And he was creating multiple plots per day. Regular consumer SSDs don't have a TBW high enough to deal with that since even 50GB of writes per day is considered high in consumer use cases.
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So is the entire economic system that runs the world, though.
No.
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No. der8auer has tested Chia farming and he found that to create a single 100GB plot, the farming program did over 1.3TB of writes (he mentions this at the 6:30 mark in the video below). And he was creating multiple plots per day. Regular consumer SSDs don't have a TBW high enough to deal with that since even 50GB of writes per day is considered high in consumer use cases.
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What are you talking about? When you buy new SSD, in 1st few days/weeks, you are going to write much more as you bought it with intent to use it. You can't run 800GB of games from SSD unless you write them there 1st. And then those games have updates. Especially if you have newer or actively developed games.
Steam here just downloaded Dreadnought patch (370MB), then it was reading/modifying/writing data for 5 minutes where average write speed was around 150MB/s.
Smart patching makes sense. Reduces patch size, makes games ready faster. Imagine if such patch required raw 40GB+ download. You would be waiting instead of playing.
Today's total DL from steam is just 1.5GB, but actual writes could easily be 60GB. But writes much more here.
While I/O includes network writes, steam is still by far top at writing data. You can check yours when it is idle. (No active window open = no need to cache web data/game videos/screenshots/...) "I/O write bytes" almost do not change.
so, the advertised TBW is false? I mean, if some manufacturer advertises 1000 TBW and it dies sooner, the TBW is not true. Or how to understand this.
Those figures are likely based on predicted single user daily patterns and the drive going through normal internal maintenance routine. THere is nothing normal about Chia farming.
While I/O includes network writes, steam is still by far top at writing data. You can check yours when it is idle. (No active window open = no need to cache web data/game videos/screenshots/...) "I/O write bytes" almost do not change.