Competition mentions Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 5 3600X - Guess the Cinebench Score
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DeskStar
I seriously want confirmation on things like PCI-E lanes...... Overall OC capabilities and memory support.
I am still waiting for a system upgrade ATM and have been for years, but things haven't even been "kosher" between intel and AMD's offerings as of late. The backpedaling on features inherent in their CPU's has been a thorn in my building side for years.
How the heck do you offer mainstream CPU crap/features like forty plus PCI-E lanes on the CPU alone then to only offer things like eighteen to twenty on future setups?!?!? Not to mention the backpedaling done in the realm of memory speeds/support as well. Quad channel down to dual channel again. Makes no sense from an upgrade standpoint. Then again i guess that is why people have hacked bios' that allow NVME support on X79 motherboards. I'll be doing that sooner than later when i upgrade to one beastly card here soon....hopefully soon that is.
DeskStar
Great comment there and one main reason i have yet to buy a new mobo/system yet. Love to see what the power requirements are going to be as AMD made it a point to say that they're not going to alienate the PC market like INTEL has done with their incremental/superficial upgrades they always seem to spit out.
Jagman
As it stands according to the leak, it's the Ryzen 9s that will require X570 / B550 boards as the power draw exceeds current AM4 specs (125W and 135W for the 3800 and 3850 respectively).
Should be fine up to the 3700X as it's 105W the same as the 2700X.
kings
It seems that the leaks are false!
South Korean Ryzen 3600X and 3700X contest is pulled after AMD is notified of its existence
Steve Walton of TechSpot and Hardware Unboxed reached out to AMD for comment and was told that the contest was not sanctioned by AMD and that it has now been pulled. He also made several remarks on the recent rumors from Reddit and AdoredTV, stating
The Ryzen rumours are fake, pretty certain at this point. I've got info off the record so I can't released [sic] it, but yeah people are going to be upset when they really shouldn't be... don't assume Ryzen will be anything like Rome.
Astyanax
Jim keller isn't doing for intel what he did for AMD.
Astyanax
because the FX 9550 needed a new chipset, right.
Jagman
^ To be fair I reckon you must have needed a pretty good motherboard to handle that FX9550, a regular AM3+ board would have had trouble pushing it, but I get your point 🙂
Jayp
Not denying core count capabilities and pricing potential from AMD. Just because Intel is expected to sell a 10 core doesn't mean AMD will sell a 12 core for $300.. Especially when Intel can't seem to sell us an 8 core for close less than $400 let alone one with HT.
GeniusPr0
Jim Keller was not the mastermind behind Ryzen lol
he is a CPU meme now though
Venix
they might sell it for 400 , none of the intel 10 core rumor and 12 core ryzen can be true ...or both can be true ...what i said is that IF it is true i find hard to believe that amd will not cook a 12 core just to keep the core advantage !
Jayp
Yea we are on the same page. I was just reiterating my stance that the pricing is off that's all. I don't have any doubt that AMD might be delivering a 12 core Ryzen product. I agree that if the Intel product comes as 10 core we'll likely see a 12 core in the same price from AMD.
Off Topic:
Back to pricing again I just really think based on what could be true in that table, the 12 core could easily sell for $500 all day and $300 doesn't seem very ideal for AMD. I know I would be all in for $500 12 core that could be a gaming beast too because of the higher clocks and IPC.
I hope that in the future Intel and AMD can battle on a same core count level or something dramatic happens with IPC for Intel that makes a 10 core very competitive to a 12 core. Intel really will have to work out manufacturing costs and production stability. A lot of people don't seem to realize that AMD 7 nm and Intel 10 nm are very much similar in potential.
Jayp
Yes, sometimes these processes seem smaller than others but they are not because of marketing. Naming 14 nm or 12 nm for instance has some marketing involved as 12 nm processes aren't really any more dense than 14 nm for example. 10 nm Intel and 7 nm AMD are very much the same size despite their naming. We won't know exactly how close until two products from each exist and are examined up close. So the remarks like "AMD is at 7 nm while Intel can't get 10 nm" right are very misleading.
Here is one source that covers it pretty well but there are more of course.
https://wccftech.com/analysis-about-intels-10nm-process/
anticupidon
Give us some 250€ 8 cores-6 threads cool CPU with IPC as good as 9900K in games and we are golden... a man could only wish.
Venix
@K.S. & @Jayp yes we agree although amd seems really aggressive with the pricing win win for us either way!
The nm pretty much the 20 nm pre-fet where skipped they where not worth it and everyone just wait for finfet , the 14nm finfet is really 20nm they just market it as such because it was so much better than the 20 nm non finfet.
This seems to be the first time ever that amd will be in a superior node against intel and on top of that if the rumoured frequencys are true + the ipc increase intel will loose one of their last fortresses .
Jayp
See this is actually where I am expecting things to be closer to honestly. There is no reason why the "3700x" can't be a $300 or so 8 core processor that beats or ties the 9900K. That is so much a win in itself and is exactly where my mind is when I thinking pricing of Zen 2. The IPC and clock improvements of Zen 2 could very well make this happen. A more power efficient 9900K for $300 that's domination on its own. Now imagine those improvements and 4 more cores. It could easily pull $449-$499 all day long and still be a steal of a deal. I just can't repeat enough how much I don't think AMD will have 12 core anywhere near $300 at least not until it goes on sale before the following gen. Anyways I will stop beating a dead horse. The reveals in the coming year will be very interesting!
Jayp
Hey I am all for rumor pricing I will buy a 16 core for $500 day one lol. Not being negative about it just realistic in my previous remarks.
They will have a superior node to current Intel I agree but we won't know until we know if 10 nm will be inferior to AMD from what I have been reading I think if anything they will be very close at worst case. AMD has a more affordable method of providing consumers cores and I believe that to be the biggest advantage they will hold for some time to come. Zen 2 will absolutely surpass Coffee Lake in IPC they are so close already there is just no way they couldn't. The clock increase even if not quite where Intel is will help to close the gap in per core performance enough for that to be a non issue when cross shopping these platforms. I am confident that Zen 2 will absolutely close the door on the only thing that helped Intel hang on since the arrival of Zen and that is per core performance.
Killian38
I agree. I'm hoping AMD has a 3800x with more cores tho. Leave the 3700 with the same core count.
hell_knight
I wonder if ryzen 3 will be adopting pcie 4.0..
Venix
@Jayp i know you are not negative ! And the superior node is vs Intel's 14nm ....the current 14nm glofo and tsmc is inferior to Intel's 14 nm so for the first time ever last 2 decades or so intel will not have this advantage. Till intel short their 10nm . That's all i was saying!
