It actually isnt, you'd think its "bad" but even up to 55" 4k resolution is decent PPI.

Been using the Korean AMH 39'' 4k and it supposedly uses a VA panel and it is absolutely perfect aside from lacking freesync and g-sync. Its like the best of both worlds has the responses of a tn while having color reproduction closer to ips after using this monitor for 7 or 8 years now i can say between 32'' and 40'' is the max i would want to go. This monitor is beautiful and i would love to have it but at 1500eu that's just stupid i only payed 800$ for this monitor around 8 years ago surely by now they can make the same monitor with higher refresh rates way cheaper now.

@richto you know how "good" a brand is (Samsung), when its own country hires Sony to do the broadcast/recording of the South Korean Olympics. when i was still working retail, out 10 customers would not buy Samsung after showing IDENTICAL content (pics/vids) on different brands side by side with others, especially when looking at color accuracy/saturation/motion/backlight control. Heck, most vizios with fald looked better than most entry/mid range qleds.

PPC:

Before i was born? How you know when i was born? Why the assumptions? 😀 OLED technology is imperfect in that sense that its diodes are deteriorating at vastly different pace depending on colour which is why you get the burn in. There is no way around this with OLED. This is not an assumption, this is fact. OLED is pretty much perfect in every way other than that and that makes it terrible for use as a computer monitor with static elements. Just the way it is man. Also, https://www.britannica.com/technology/calorimeter. You probably meant to say colourimeter. 😀

No i did NOT mean to say colourimeter as i'm American and that is not a word in American English. and i do have vast experience in electronics including consumer electronics. not all diodes are created equally at birth, we know that in pc world as "the silicon lottery". manufacturing processes take time to develop yield. there will always be over-performers and under-performers within spec. in all generations of all processes which should be so fundamentally understood that i don't need to make this point. but apparently i do need to make it for the neophyte. when you understand the basic properties of displays (most Do Not) you use them appropriately and set them up for their best performance. i never said i use an OLED for a pc display (though that will change shortly), but that i have a 10y.o.1080p panel with 0 defect, which is true. OLED displays by nature are more susceptible to damage from AC irregularities (all solid-state electronics are to greater or lesser degree) which cumulatively degrade the circuitry. i do not have that problem as i've invested in transformer based highly regulated power supplies that output a pure sine wave. most of so-called "OLED deterioration" is from this simple issue that most people do not even think about, they just plug into their mains. as i said, go read a book

im sticking with my LG oled65B9pla [youtube=jq5Bh2NjiBg] 2 years on no sign of any burn in , tv protects itself really well.

[youtube=S6M85rboYy0]https://youtu.be/S6M85rboYy0

tunejunky:

No i did NOT mean to say colourimeter as i'm American and that is not a word in American English. and i do have vast experience in electronics including consumer electronics. not all diodes are created equally at birth, we know that in pc world as "the silicon lottery". manufacturing processes take time to develop yield. there will always be over-performers and under-performers within spec. in all generations of all processes which should be so fundamentally understood that i don't need to make this point. but apparently i do need to make it for the neophyte. when you understand the basic properties of displays (most Do Not) you use them appropriately and set them up for their best performance. i never said i use an OLED for a pc display (though that will change shortly), but that i have a 10y.o.1080p panel with 0 defect, which is true. OLED displays by nature are more susceptible to damage from AC irregularities (all solid-state electronics are to greater or lesser degree) which cumulatively degrade the circuitry. i do not have that problem as i've invested in transformer based highly regulated power supplies that output a pure sine wave. most of so-called "OLED deterioration" is from this simple issue that most people do not even think about, they just plug into their mains. as i said, go read a book

Wow, just wow... this is as delusional as it gets man. I mean going for british vs american english with the "o" as your "defense"... thats just... i mean... no words. 😀 No one was talking about "silicone lottery" of OLE diodes its the fact that green and red have a lifetime that is double that to blue. Theres no lottery involved in that statement it is just a fact of OLED. Yes, WOLED panels are slightly better at this but still they are hardly immune and they kinda aint real OLED's any more.

Martin5000:

[youtube=S6M85rboYy0]https://youtu.be/S6M85rboYy0

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no burn in no sign after 2 years heavy game play. on some cheap screens maybe so but good screens protect themselves. if i walk away from the pc the tv will turn off by itself until i move the mouse. It knows if there is a static object and does what it needs to do to avoid any damage. you stick with the myths that just fine. i will enjoy my gaming life wile my tv that is covered with burn in for the next 3 years.

Martin5000:

no burn in no sign after 2 years heavy game play. on some cheap screens maybe so but good screens protect themselves. if i walk away from the pc the tv will turn off by itself until i move the mouse. It knows if there is a static object and does what it needs to do to avoid any damage. you stick with the myths that just fine. i will enjoy my gaming life wile my tv that is covered with burn in for the next 3 years.

thank you

@PPC lol, manufactures were already making up for it from the start, one reason they had us explain to ppl the possible loss in brightness over the years, because the tv MAKES UP FOR IT (by lowering output on R/G). or do you think movie/broadcast ppl would pay 30-50K for a 24-32in oleds that will experience any issues? feel free how long pros are using oleds, and how many have problems with it. ignoring that ppl who know about(this) tech is no "burn in", as these arent plasmas, but its image retention, which i havent seen on any in the store we were running demos on (12h/7/360), with each vid having text/ logo (at the end), non of it retaine,d when selling those displays to customers, even 4y later....

So this is like all just in my head, right? The screen is perfect, right? God damn. https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/KSgdN7NZ/real-burn-in-week-102-tv-3-gray-large.jpg If burn in doesnt exist why is RTINGS still putting this on EVERY OLED TV REVIEW? "Permanent Burn-In Risk Yes Like most OLED TVs, the LG G1 isn't immune to permanent burn-in, but we don't expect it to be an issue if you watch varied content. Luckily, it has a few features to help reduce the risk. These include Pixel Cleaning, Screen Move, and Adjust Logo Brightness settings. You can read more about our investigation into long-term OLED burn-in here." False marketing, samsung shills, they just hate OLED? Give me a break... Where do you even get the fervor to try dispute something that is hard fact of a certain technology process? Next you gonna tell me that internal combustion engines do not produce CO2? It is what it is, everything has its ups and downs and burn in is OLED's "down". When you gonna get it, how severe its going to be and how much it is going to bother you is based heavily on use case.

you claim life expectance for the different colors is an issue, when its not as they lower G/R output to match the drop on the B, and since 2020 most nicer sets (at least the sony) even incl calman for calibration. as long as any reviewer calls image retention a "burn in", their credibility drops 2 levels (for me). "investigation".. on how many sets? even if i ignore its not even a global sized reviewer, unless they buy thousand, there is no relevant "proof" (starts at about 2-3000 samples). so far, no one i know that bought an oled from any store i worked, has not have any issues with IR, even with things like gaming on XB/PS or static stuff on streaming sites/menus, and i sold about 20-50/year. so no, real world use on about 200 sets i sold, none having issues.

fry178:

when its not as they lower G/R output to match the drop on the B,

Can we have ANY quote on this from any source except you? Like manufacturers statement, whitepaper, even marketing material... basically anything.

im too old to get hooked by "provide proof". 😀 start here https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/broadcastpromonitors and before someone claims i stated that there tvs are "identical" to 50000$ moni: this is where you get you tech started (pro side), the same with mil/space tech, or things like F1/race tech, trickling down into consumer products..

"Too old" to back up your words is just another way of saying that you cant. You basically made up something to "prove" your point. Very mature for an "old man". I wish i could say it was nice talking to you but... it wasnt.

no, just old enough to have learned that most are doing this, because they dont want to spend their own time to do "research. doesnt matter to me what you think of it, either way.

No, you are talking out of your rear end. I actually spent the time to do the research and i couldnt find a whiff of such mechanism that you speak of, that is why i asked for a reference from someone who is clearly familiar with it and will not have trouble referencing it. Theres pixel refresher, logo dimmer, pixel shift but there just isnt a R/G compensation mechanism mentioned anywhere. Btw all those mechanisms seem to be put in place to combat burn in that, by your words, isnt even there... hmmm. Also since OLED's moved away from separate R/G/B diodes with newer WOLED screens and now use B/Y for backlight with a RGB filter in front of it (just like a classic LCD) there actually isnt R/G diodes on an OLED for a while now. I guess you'd have to do the research to figure that one out. The backlight is produced by blue and yellow diode combined and while it is a tad better on burn in than using RGB the B component cannot be excluded from forming white light and that one still has significantly lower lifespan than Y diode so burn in cannot be eliminated as a factor. Its just mindboggling the ressistance you put up with acknowledging that, as anything on this planet, OLED has its shortcomings too.