Apple working on their own processors up-to 32 cores
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DannyD
How many of those cores are dedicated to RT?
Undying
M1 is so overrated. Apple fanboys just looking something to hold on to. 32core is so unrealistic and it can cost a fortune but i guess a dumbasses will buy anything with a apple logo on it.
Silva
@schmidtbag
I was more concerned about the fact that you can't service an apple machine yourself, they are taking extra steps so that their suppliers don't sell the parts outside apple.
There is a big youtuber that has a service shop and many new machines he can't fix because he can't get the parts. Stupid things like charging or display controllers!
Denial
Why is it unrealistic? AMD has 32 core parts? Why is the M1 overrated?
schmidtbag
That's a big part of what I was saying though - Apple controls the repairs so everything is done their way. Their reputation is more easily harmed by someone who doesn't know what they're doing and makes a problem worse. They're resorting to everything being soldered to the same board, so there's nothing to replace.
I agree it's stupid, but, it is working. The thing is, places like Massachusetts are cracking down on this kind of behavior with right-to-repair laws, so, we'll see how long Apple can keep up with it.
vbetts
Moderator
Yet being only a quad core part it keeps up with the counterpart of the Intel machines from Apple? How is 32 cores unrealistic? There are arm devices out there with up to 80 cores, and even x86 cpus out there with 32 cores. We're also not going to call people names here either, or target a group a people please. Let's be respectful here.
Silva
Their reputation is not easily harmed if someone else screws up. Apple generally just charges you a fortune for repairs or tells you to buy another computer if it's out of warranty.
There are reputable shops that can replace soldered chips, like the ones owned by Louis Rossmann.
schmidtbag
Do not underestimate the stupidity of the average person. Louis himself has pointed out how 3rd party repair people have ripped off their customers and blamed Apple for a poor design, when in fact, it was the fault of the repair people. It's easy to point fingers at the Big Bad Corporation when something goes wrong, and since this does happen, I get why Apple is fed up with it.
Don't get me wrong, I hate how badly Apple treats their consumers, but, how we feel about it doesn't matter: it's working in their favor, and their customers, for the most part, don't care. Nvidia is the same way, which I find hilarious because that's why they and Apple are in a feud. Basically an unstoppable force against an immovable object. It's also why I do what I can to avoid buying either company's products.
ZXRaziel
I am not a Apple fan , never bought an Apple product ....
Let's just forget about why we hate Apple for a moment and focus on the hardware for a moment
I was observing ARM and then apple's progress over the years and now seeing what the M1 can do as it does not carry the legacy burden of x86 cpu's I have to say that it is impressive and believe it or not big things and changes are coming , the performance will only get better , they are having unreal power efficiency and the big boys are paying attention trust me .
Dont take this the wrong way please but try to be more open minded , yes the company is known for some shady business practices as most of big corporations are . I just think that they are on to something when it comes to the cpu design , plus Nvidia has ARM now with huge budget to invest in R&D I can sense big changes happening in computing in few years Mark my words .
Sorry I could not resist the temptation haha .
Airbud
what I meant to say was "Can it run Cyberpunk 2077".....:D
moo100times
I think reputational damage that they claim is them covering up for the huge extra cash they generate from forcing users to repair in house. It is a closed market for anything to do with them, and they want to keep it that way because that is how they make the most money from their users. Same as no other app stores on their platform, all payments on their devices they take a cut of, etc.
This may be good for their share price and bottom line, but this is the kind of practice that I hate. It is tech authoritarianism.
If your kit is really the best, then you shouldn't need crazy protectionism at the same time - ideally it should stand up to broad scrutiny.
And just for further corroberation, I agree they have some nice hardware, but they cannot claim their chip is amongst the fastest in the world when they customise every element of performance of their OS for it. Their ecosystem is relatively high performing, but that is a very different situation to taking the crown for pure chip design prowess as they claim for the M1.
schmidtbag
Yes, that's a lot to do with it too. I agree with pretty much all of that.
I agree, but you're talking about a company and its customers who buy into this trendy elitism. They get to weed out the "posers" who don't do things the "Apple way". It's all incredibly stupid.
I see your point and I do partially agree, but, I don't fully agree. A chip is only as good as the code running on it, just like a car engine is only as good as its ability to use that power to move the car. Otherwise, the Bulldozer architecture would've been a success, because under the right conditions, it really was fast. Intel and AMD have been in the game for a long time, creating some pretty elaborate and complex chips, yet here comes Apple with an ARM-based chip and managed to be a direct competitor. The M1 is probably less complex and definitely has less actual processing power, but it was purposely modified and the OS was purpose-built. The closest Intel ever got to what Apple did was Clear Linux. That is a fine-tuned distro that yields great results, but, it's a little cumbersome to use on a day to day basis (even for experienced Linux users) and the optimizations primarily (but not entirely) only apply to the packages Intel provides.
So, you're right, Apple objectively does not have the fastest chip (even if you're only looking at the high-performance cores). However, they effectively have one of the fastest (at least in typical situations) because ultimately what really matters is the performance that the end-user experiences.
anticupidon
Tell this to Tom Cook or Apple zealots. Will NOT accept other opinion that their own.
Yet they claim it and social media and marketing are singing along the same tune. However, Apple knows how to orchestrate the best marketing around it, so in the end they will sell it like it is the cure for cancer.
anticupidon
I bought a lot of popcorn as of lately, will watch fanatically Louis Rossman's channel, he will have some unpopular opinions about the whole deal.
