Apple M2 CPU-Z Single Thread Benchmark Score Matches Intel Alder Lake

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Why in the screenshots CPUZ with Snapdragon? Also it's not all rainbows and sunshine with Apple's silicon. More power efficient yes. But PC component manufacturers far exceed Apple's silicon in CPU and GPU performance nowadays. Linus recently did an interesting video on this subject. The $10,000 Mac Pro Killer [youtube=jYlNEZPntqM]
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Considering how expensive Apple products are and how you need to pay extra on top of it to even get a decent amount of memory, cost-performance probably isn't there.
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they are really stingy with memory
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tsunami231:

they are really stingy with memory
On other hand it is shared memory...
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Kaarme:

Considering how expensive Apple products are and how you need to pay extra on top of it to even get a decent amount of memory, cost-performance probably isn't there.
The M are less expensive tan X64 equivalent it's a good point for it
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rl66:

On other hand it is shared memory...
which makes it worse 😛
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tsunami231:

which makes it worse 😛
Depends on the workload. Fast shared memory is good for compute apps that utilize the processing power of the CPU and GPU simultaneously and can speed up processing big time by eliminating the latency penalty from discrete memory pools and devices on different buses. I'm not a fan of Apple by any means, but a lot of their tech is impressive I have to admit. Intel is eventually going to widen the gap however once their advanced nodes come on line.
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tsunami231:

which makes it worse 😛
Nope, it is faster in the config of the M cpu, don't compare orange with apple 😉 (or a X64 PC to this gen of mac) it is one of the thing that make this computer faster despite relative normal raw power. More seriously you pay more when you get it, and it's not upgradable as on PC, but if you get the right size you need it is not a so big problem (even on price side) This computer is awesome compared to what we have on PC side, and it's a pitty that no one make an equivalent ARM pc... With what Apple have achieved we can imagine the jump forward it could be...
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x86 emulation is still garbage.
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Carfax:

Depends on the workload. Fast shared memory is good for compute apps that utilize the processing power of the CPU and GPU simultaneously and can speed up processing big time by eliminating the latency penalty from discrete memory pools and devices on different buses. I'm not a fan of Apple by any means, but a lot of their tech is impressive I have to admit. Intel is eventually going to widen the gap however once their advanced nodes come on line.
rl66:

Nope, it is faster in the config of the M cpu, don't compare orange with apple 😉 (or a X64 PC to this gen of mac) it is one of the thing that make this computer faster despite relative normal raw power. More seriously you pay more when you get it, and it's not upgradable as on PC, but if you get the right size you need it is not a so big problem (even on price side) This computer is awesome compared to what we have on PC side, and it's a pitty that no one make an equivalent ARM pc... With what Apple have achieved we can imagine the jump forward it could be...
always though shared memory was bad well for most x86 based systems it is to my understanding. but that does explain why in some case the M1/M2 show show crazy performance vs x86 considering it TDP. If apple dropped of 30w cpu that rivals amd/intels winter heater cpu both intel and amd would be in trouble, and I would probably pay the price for, well proving windows and my game ran like the should
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Carfax:

Intel is eventually going to widen the gap however once their advanced nodes come on line.
Dunno man, youre assuming Apple will stay where they are?
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BLEH!:

x86 emulation is still garbage.
guess what? x86 emulation on x86 u-arch is garbate too xD (just look how poor is still the ps4 emulation scene or even just the first xbox emulation scene)
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Well yeah arm CPUs are risk type reduced instructions and they do not Cary a 30+ years of luggage for compatibility! That said I wonder how they fair on say heavy avx workloads running avx in general or SSE 4.1+ if they can not run natively these instructions if we compile on something that is compatible with the m2 CPUs will they be close in performance? Or it will be a disaster ? (Genuine questions) Well the new snapdragons coming for computers as well and they claim to be as good or better than m2 it will be interesting!
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rl66:

The M are less expensive tan X64 equivalent it's a good point for it
Sorry, but I'm not going to take your word for it. They are super expensive.
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tsunami231:

always though shared memory was bad well for most x86 based systems it is to my understanding. but that does explain why in some case the M1/M2 show show crazy performance vs x86 considering it TDP. If apple dropped of 30w cpu that rivals amd/intels winter heater cpu both intel and amd would be in trouble, and I would probably pay the price for, well proving windows and my game ran like the should
Apple`s CPUs are "tiny" beasts but they are also much more expensive because they are bigger than normal CPUs. Not that it matters anyway, because Apple has no intention of releasing those CPUs to the general public, they are for Apple customers only.
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tsunami231:

and my game ran like the should
that's the problem with Apple. gaming is only recently being advertised by Apple. and despite their ads, letting apps within the ecosystem is the biggest challenge that Apple faces. the fact one has to "work around" to get some games to play well means a lot when your taste is wider than Apple's QVL for game studios. i love Apple but i only maintain a toehold in the ecosystem with my iPad Air. but i do remember old OS w cpu by from Intel i was able to add my choice of gpu
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maybe now that nvidia is a trillionaire company they can get that ARM deal thing and show amd/intel the boot, if not, risc-v would be even better
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tunejunky:

that's the problem with Apple. gaming is only recently being advertised by Apple. and despite their ads, letting apps within the ecosystem is the biggest challenge that Apple faces. the fact one has to "work around" to get some games to play well means a lot when your taste is wider than Apple's QVL for game studios. i love Apple but i only maintain a toehold in the ecosystem with my iPad Air. but i do remember old OS w cpu by from Intel i was able to add my choice of gpu
far as mobile goes I use apple only I wont touch android. but that not really saying much as i only use my ipad to play 2 games and randomly check internet when my pc is off. and my iphone 6s is glorified steps counter, which it is rather inaccurate for counting steps and miles walked to big with Can run both those game on andriod emu on pc but I absolute hate that OS UI, i use only when i need automate stuff that would take hour or 2 to do on ipad simply cause i dont want to drain it battery
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tsunami231:

always though shared memory was bad well for most x86 based systems it is to my understanding. but that does explain why in some case the M1/M2 show show crazy performance vs x86 considering it TDP. If apple dropped of 30w cpu that rivals amd/intels winter heater cpu both intel and amd would be in trouble, and I would probably pay the price for, well proving windows and my game ran like the should
The main reason why Apple CPUs have such great performance per watt is because Apple has access to the latest nodes from TSMC. Nodes have a huge impact on performance per watt! Apple is currently using TSMC's 3nm, which is probably two nodes more advanced than what AMD is using for Zen 4 and three nodes ahead of what Intel are using for Raptor Lake. Then there's the fact that Apple CPUs are tuned specifically for mobile, while Intel and AMD CPUs are multiplatform and are found in servers, laptops, HPC, tablets, database etcetera.... Also, Apple CPUs are extremely wide (the widest in the industry) and have massive caches with World class branch prediction. This allows for very high IPC and performance. Intel and AMD are going to catch up once Apple's node advantage diminishes and eventually disappears.
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AuerX:

Dunno man, youre assuming Apple will stay where they are?
Intel is catching up, that's all I know. Apple has had a huge advantage due to access to TSMC's latest cutting edge nodes, but Intel is steaming ahead and will catch up and likely surpass TSMC in just a few more years by the looks of it with their angstrom era nodes! As I alluded to in my earlier post to @tsunami231, the nodes make a huge difference. It's the reason why Intel lost their performance crown to Zen 3 several years ago when they were stuck on 14nm, and also the main reason why Apple has been able to create CPUs with such high performance per watt.