Honestly im done with greedy Intel for a while, im good with My Ryzen at 4ghz, ill wait for Ryzen 2.

Well, I may have to try a custom loop again for an i7 8700k build, only done one before about 5 years ago, but this might be worth the cost and effort. One thing that strikes me as weird is the launch of this so soon after the i7 7800x and 7820x. One might think the i7 8700k would cannibalize sales from those two HEDT procs even at the expense of the quad channel memory the 7800's provide over the i7 8700k's dual channel (and does the quad channel memory really provide a perceivable benefit?). I know Ryzen obviously is a cause and effect catalyst for some of this weird launching, but the time of development cycles for these procs suggest the 8700k has been in R&D for over a year at least. Right?

Kaerar:

Intel could have made it ever since Sandy-Bridge, that they didn't shows their disdain for their customer base. It's also amusing that AMD managed to catch them with their pants down as a result of them getting too comfortable with their little monopoly.

Ain't disdain, this is what Capitalism brings you and just one reason why it sucks.

GAR818:

Honestly im done with greedy Intel for a while, im good with My Ryzen at 4ghz, ill wait for Ryzen 2.

Yeah that's due out next year with between 5-15% IPC increase. I think I'm done with Intel now too, they should've pushed things a long a bit quicker but I'm telling you if Ryzen wasn't made the 8700K would be another quad core. Support the little guys.. they made this happen, will probably end up sticking with AMD now.. I don't need to buy Intel any more thankfully. Back in the K6 days I swore I'd never buy Intel but AMD dropped the ball hard and I really had no choice to to Core 2 and i5/i7 series after that. I can't imagine Intel will ever be in the position it was in some years ago.. it's all on the up and up from now on boys.

Personally waiting for February, by that time this will get released, and Ryzen 2000 (or what ever it will be called) on 12nm will also get a release. Check benches, compare and move forward. While I try to be open minded on this, I do consider AMD as a more favorable choice in this case mostly due to no need to switch Mobo's nonstop down the road. But let's see, finally we have some Good competition on the market.

BReal85:

Actually in games, the 8600K will be slower in a slice of the titles than the 7600K, and the 8700K slower than the 7700K. How can you tell the new gaming king will be the 8600K? And still about 100 EUR (~50%) more expensive than an R5 1600. Intel doesn't seem to learn.

depend where you are... in Germany it is really cheap, in here it's at 15Euro less on price's preview... same as mobo that are at the same price whatever you need z vs x and b vs b... this is maybe the reason of Ryzen's success in Germany and a good but not so good sale here... and i think AMD should consider that Europe is not limited to Germany and France only...

Solareus Prime:

How long do you think Intel sat on this chip before releasing it ? That's something AMD needs to take into consideration ...

Considering how fast they responded, I don't think this is a coincidence at all that they moved to 6 cores on i7 line at this point, exactly after Ryzen has launched. Also, the HEDT platform, i.e. 7980XE et al, are thrown into the party just because AMD launched TR. Funny thing is that Lisa Su said that TR was never meant to become a reality, but a group of engineers saw the potential and they worked on their free time to make it happen. Meanwhile at Intel, they probably have stored somewhere on a disk various designs that they might need to bring-up, just in case, lol. Makes you hate Intel for the fact that they keep launching the same thing as long as possible and only when the adversary does something they bring out the goodies. That is why we need to support AMD, to buy AMD and with Ryzen it is not a sacrifice anymore, it is just a choice.Whatever choice you make, Intel or AMD, you will be satisfied. AMD deserves to get our cash just because they forces Intel to move forward.

Honestly I have little care for this little cores war going on, so now I will have like 8 threads not utilized instead of 4 in a good day. As long as AMD keeps being subpar when it comes single core performance, they won't be something I'll purchase. I also don't have this "rebel" bug, where I am morally invested into opposing big bad monopolies for the glory of the mankind, I don't have money tree, so I buy the best I can afford, not ideas and vision. The only really big news here is laptops going from 2/4 to 4/8 mainstream and this has nothing to do with AMD, but with the fact that this now can be done at little cost power-wise. This is something I am much more interested in, because laptop is my bread and butter machine I spend most time working with, while that frankenstein coffin at my home is only used for games and shit. That is the real big news of Coffee Lake - mobile laptops doubling cores mainstream, not them throwing 2 extra cores for last century desktop designs pointless for 90% of the users there including me.

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bombardier:

Update, ENGLISH Review

if that's true then Wow!...8700 kicks butt.