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''Hey! Don't just buy the 4090 and 4080! We're releasing our GPU's in mid December!'' Sorry AMD, you're just too late for me..
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Vananovion:

I remember Polaris cards burning out PCI-E power pins in certain scenarios, pulling more power than the spec. It was VERY rare and only on cheap motherboards, but still - stones and glass houses. As for the 7000 series cards, AMD doesn't really need to beat nVidia on raw performance, as long as the price/perf ratio is good. I'm more interested in how well the chiplet design is going to work for AMD. Maybe we'll see a dedicated die for RT in the future.
I remember a lot of dead motherboard VRM's back in the good old FX 8350 and 9590 days. I still remember almost frying my 880G extreme3 board trying to run a FX 8350. Had to disable 4 cores to not make the VRM's overheat and make the pc crash.
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GamerNerves:

I prefer 8-pin connectors. When the 12-pin is throughoutly tested (and improved) by customers, companies and the organization behind it alike, then I feel safe with it. 🙂
Only AMD could spin legacy/previous gen as a positive. Having one cable from your PSU to GPU is very nice, even in a big case such as the Fractal Torrent. Google 8pin GPU connector melting...
Krizby:

AMD's pettiness sure is attractive to certain crowd 😀. I'm getting flashbacks from "Poor Volta" and "The Fixer" era of AMD, looks like AMD went back to being childish when they know they can't compete
Haha, yeah, "overclockers dream".
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Krizby:

with 1/2 the RT performance of 4090, 7900XTX should be 800usd
Interesting. I assume this pricing rule appeared after Turing. It explains why we haven't seen new entry level cards anymore, since the Turing architecture: Nvidia would hate to release them as they would cost zero dollars, having no RT. They would need to sport at least a totally meaningless level of RT to carry a price at all.
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Mildly amusing but kinda in bad taste, and like Hilbert said, could come back to bite them.
barbacot:

If this is the only thing that they can throw at Nvidia....bad signs for actual reviews.
I don't really know what else they could say that: A. They haven't said already B. Anyone would take with more than a grain of salt
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Kaarme:

Interesting. I assume this pricing rule appeared after Turing. It explains why we haven't seen new entry level cards anymore, since the Turing architecture: Nvidia would hate to release them as they would cost zero dollars, having no RT. They would need to sport at least a totally meaningless level of RT to carry a price at all.
You are obviously fine with your old GPU, why bother upgrading GPU if not to see what all the new techs are all about.
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Krizby:

You are obviously fine with your old GPU, why bother upgrading GPU if not to see what all the new techs are all about.
Tbh your reasoning wasn't solid. Most games are not RT heavy so it shouldn't affect price as of now much at all.
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Ryu5uzaku:

Tbh your reasoning wasn't solid. Most games are not RT heavy so it shouldn't affect price as of now much at all.
Hm...AMD themselves include CP2077 4K RT Ultra number, 7900XTX get 21FPS and 4090 get 43FPS in the included benchmark
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Shots fired shots fired!!! Not the best marketing but hey: it's something! The price didn't go up, performance did: AMD won GPU battle of 2022 in my book.
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Krizby:

You are obviously fine with your old GPU, why bother upgrading GPU if not to see what all the new techs are all about.
I'm very much not fine with it. I just made a mistake in wanting to see the performance of 6700 XT before buying a 3060 Ti. When 6700 XT got released, crypto miners threw feces at my face and told me to get lost. When crypto miners finally died of cancer, the 3000 series was already old news. Btw, the 6700 XT RT performance doesn't impress me, so I counted it out anyhow. 7700 XT RT performance could, potentially, be already enough for some 1080p testing. But once again, it would also depend on how the price-performances of 4060 (Ti) and 7700 (XT) compare to each other.
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And a good tune on the theme. 🙄 [youtube=_3eC35LoF4U]
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Consider me an Nvidia fan boy but this made me laugh even if it is only 0.04% out of 125k cards.
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Krizby:

Hm...AMD themselves include CP2077 4K RT Ultra number, 7900XTX get 21FPS and 4090 get 43FPS in the included benchmark
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You do realize one card is 1600$ and another one is 1000$ right? I don't see the problem with AMD not having an halo product. I know some guys around here think everyone got 1600$ (over 2 grands outside of USA) to spend on a GPU yearly but the reality is we are talking about a very small % of the market share.
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MonstroMart:

You do realize one card is 1600$ and another one is 1000$ right? I don't see the problem with AMD not having an halo product. I know some guys around here think everyone got 1600$ (over 2 grands outside of USA) to spend on a GPU yearly but the reality is we are talking about a very small % of the market share.
I bet that there will be at least twice as many 4090 buyers as there will be 7900XTXs, 1000usd vs 1600usd or not. According to Steam Hardware Survey, even the shitty 3080Ti outsold 6900XT + 6800XT + 6800 + 6700XT combined
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CalculuS:

I remember a lot of dead motherboard VRM's back in the good old FX 8350 and 9590 days. I still remember almost frying my 880G extreme3 board trying to run a FX 8350. Had to disable 4 cores to not make the VRM's overheat and make the pc crash.
There is literally printed 140W CPU on the mainboard, so a FX8350 with bad VRM air flow will push the board right up to the limit.
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Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Sasa Marinkovic, the marketing director for AMD's gaming group, took to Twitter to criticise Nvidia. He sent a picture of a power connector for an AMD Radeon graphics card, which featured two 8-pin p... AMD: "Stay safe this holiday season"
They really better have some solid performance against the 4080 to talk this much trash. That's all I'm saying. It's funny, but if they can't back up their jokes it's just bad trolling.
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Krizby:

I bet that there will be at least twice as many 4090 buyers as there will be 7900XTXs, 1000usd vs 1600usd or not. According to Steam Hardware Survey, even the shitty 3080Ti outsold 6900XT + 6800XT + 6800 + 6700XT combined
While I agree that a 4090 is most likely going to sell better than a 7900XTX, the point @MonstroMart was trying to make is $600 on top of an already expensive product is a lot to pay to double framerates and still not reach 60FPS. They're both kinda dumb products. As for the RX 6000 series, that was priced based on raster performance and mining demand. That didn't really work well for them since most people who only care about raster performance had cheaper alternatives (or already had one good enough). Once you got to the 6700XT at MSRP, it made more sense to spend a little extra on Nvidia for something with better RT performance, since Nvidia's raster performance was still plenty good enough for 1440p and 4K. So, if RDNA3 offers a significant RT boost while being priced based on their RT performance, I suspect the 7000 series will sell a lot better. As someone who doesn't really care about RT performance for now (it's going to be years until even Nvidia can yield good RT performance at 4K for a reasonable price), I might find myself getting a 6000 series GPU if the prices drop enough.
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Krizby:

Hm...AMD themselves include CP2077 4K RT Ultra number, 7900XTX get 21FPS and 4090 get 43FPS in the included benchmark
Atleast they are honest. Cyberpunk 2077 is not a good RT benchmark to begin with. 1 year ago when I activated RT the headlights did not even cast shadows when hitting a light pole. Now after patches, they cast shadows even without RT activated, so patches to the game can make a bigger difference in lighting and shadows then turning RT on or off.

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