From this very review... some people refuses to read apparently..

The Conclusion The 329 USD pricetag for Ryzen 7 1700 is golden. Seriously, this processor outs tremendous performance levels, especially multi-threaded performance kicks ass. We however are clueless as to why and how Ryzen is not performing well enough in gaming. I do need to be more specific here though, the lower performance gaming numbers are not spotted in all games. But when you get rid of the GPU bottleneck (and thus install an incredibly fast graphics card) and then go to a lower resolution there the problem will manifest itself. And that just doesn't make any sense as on actual CPU testing e.g. Cinebench or whatever you throw at these processors, the Ryzen 7 series hauls ass. It could be the lack of memory channels, cache latency issues, thread scheduling, heck it can even be Windows 10 here. However the problem is there, we just don't know the exact casue of it. It's not a massive problem but sure, it is what people look at and base decisions on. Let's hope AMD will have an answer to this complication soon enough as the Ryzen 7 series deserves so much more than just the focus on this issue. So yes, I like the Ryzen 7 1700 really, quite a lot actually. It is 170 USD cheaper compared to the 1800X and performance really isn't that far off. It will reach close to the same tweaking levels also. The 1700 can do 4 GHz on all cores, hack we demoed that and we cooled it with a simply Noctua air based cooler.

From this very review... some people refuses to read apparently..

Who cares? Read above....multi-tasking...I'd rather go do some DIY! Am def now sold because of this superb chance to run some program say a few mins faster... oooohhh...great!:banana:

Haha you guys fail! So the huge market is in people who game and want perhaps applications second.. Yet you are telling me because a cpu is better at multi-tasking and only competes against a cpu that was released a longer time ago and costs the same it's the better buy. Perhaps for you but not for me and perhaps thousands of others who are just going to wait for something better from Intel. The point is I dont want the cpu to fail but I would either it was either cheaper or better performance in games. I'll wait for something better. Clueless people...... p.s how much faster/better at multi-tasking? Really I dont care if I have to wait a few mins in here and there if say am multi-tasking. It's pretty sad you are actually trying to win an argument by using "multi-tasking". Dont get me wrong to each their own...but the percentage of people who need this versus the gaming/more general pc crowd. I do like the fastest cpu clock speed for gaming. Maybe it's just a difference in quality/taste. Then again if Intel take the piss with their next launch I will reconsider. Hell I might even buy AMD 🙂

It takes time for software to adapt to hardware: it's common sense right? Game-engine are complex pieces of software that didn't have to face such a major CPU architecture change in a very long time. Now that higher number of core is affordable to more people, game engine will eventually adapt to it and benefit from it. It's common sense and logical. Eventually, games will benefit from those CPU with 6+cores, which deliver overall way more computation power than the others.

It takes time for software to adapt to hardware: it's common sense right? Game-engine are complex pieces of software that didn't have to face such a major CPU architecture change in a very long time. Now that higher number of core is affordable to more people, game engine will eventually adapt to it and benefit from it. It's common sense and logical. Eventually, games will benefit from those CPU with 6+cores.

Eventually isnt today. Case closed. How long is a piece of string? p.s but that's about the only decent thing anyone has said. Merci! Je vous en prie!!! And then you asking me to put faith in AMD...which I wont.

Gents, for crying out loud. You are fighting over a processor. Why make it so personal? Go with whatever suits you the best or what you find the best value. Other then that, please keep these discussion in such a manner that everybody is respectful to each other and their opinions okay?

Gents, for crying out loud. You are fighting over a processor. Why make it so personal? Go with whatever suits you the best or what you find the best value. Other then that, please keep these discussion in such a manner that everybody is respectful to each other and their opinions okay?

Sorry I made my comments and I am irritated that people cant discuss normally without trying to bait me... I.e the brothel comment etc. I know it was made in part jest...but still. Anyways am done with it all. Got better things to do. Thanks for the reviews!

Very Tempting... But for now it is time to tweak my current CPU's OC to make myself feel better about the performance difference until I actually feel I need more in various apps. Then I will happily buy one of these Ryzen CPUs 🙂 Right now a friend dragged my back into playing Path of Exile, not exactly taxing I know, but I am still impressed that my current setup gives between 90 - 150fps in 4k By the time I get this game out of my system I hope to see what AMD brings with Vega, will be happy if it can about match the 1080Ti in 4k gaming ^^

So good i´m still considering it for my new rig but the only demanding stuff i do with my system is gaming so i think maybe i´ll settle for a nice 7600K and save some money...

In Portugal the average savings between a R7 1700 and an I5 7600k is about 75€. I'm sure you're being raped by going Intel, but that's just my opinion.

Ok am done with these type of comments. If you can prove that it's "more powerfull" than intels offering then please do so with example or please take your crap elsewhere.

There are reviews showing that over time, an FX8370 surpassed an i7 2600k at your preferred benchmarking resolutions from 15 years ago. Benchmarking a CPU at 720/1080p does not represent future performance for said CPU.

Maybe...Because it is an 8 core CPU that handles a lot of non gaming tasks much better? Making it a good all around processor at a much cheaper price than intels comparable processors? The $1,500 intel chip doesn't perform as well as the 7700k in games neither, but for some reason you aren't bashing that one?

Ssh, don't argue with them.

What more do you want??? A liquid cooler? A free Vega GPU to go with it? Or maybe you want a free blowjob at the brothel of your choice?...

Doí-me a barriga de tanto rir! Tens toda a razão. mitzi76: if you love Intel so much, why don't you get yourself a nice Skylake? No one is forcing you to change sides. R7 1700 isn't the fastest on single thread applications (neither is Intel 8/10 core parts), but it can match and in some cases outperform their multi thread performance (comparing to 8/10 Intel core CPU). At 1/3 the price, and with cheaper motherboards, R7 1700 is the best CPU released since Sandy Bridge.

In Portugal the average savings between a R7 1700 and an I5 7600k is about 75€. I'm sure you're being raped by going Intel, but that's just my opinion.

My numbers are different, the cheapest 1700 i can find is 365€ and the cheapest 7600k is 250€, a 115€ difference. The difference can be offset a little by cheaper motherboards but still it´s a considerable difference. But you´re right on me being raped by Intel, the 7600K should be 200€ and the 7700K should be 250€!... But that´s another story.

Am no longer responding to mitzi76s inability to understand basic logic.

Another great reivew, Hilbert just two Questions... When you oced the R7, you disabled the HPET? i remenber that the XFR is enabled with the HPET, other thing is comming to my mind. you can test it with Core Unpark App?

The gaming perf is not an issue in every and any situation. If you purchase a GeForce GTX 1080 or 1080 Ti and game in a CPU bound resolution (1080p) yes, you will see a loss in performance (which varies per title). On average 10% 'ish in extremes however that can run up-to a ridiculous 40% (Tomb Raider). The second you get more GPU bound, you are not going to notice that perf differential. Even with that 1080 in 2560x1440 you'll have a hard time spotting the perf drop. But the reality remains that Ryzen 7 is underperforming compared to Intel in gaming at CPU bound situations. It is what it is, at this point if you plan to build a nice gaming rig and say a GTX 1060 or RX 480 is your sweet spot for gaming and budget, Ryzen 7 1700 makes total sense at 329 USD with desktop perf that is ridiculously fast for the money. It's in the high-end and enthusiast segment where the true problem sits. For anything below that segment, Ryzen offers superb value/perf wise. I wish I could tell a different story on Ryzen 7, but that is the reality of it.

i saw a review with RX480 where RyZen got better fps than i7 7700K and other Intels at 1080p/1440p

Sorry, basic logic would require one to include the gaming presentations presented by AMD themselves. Those presentations which comprised all the events seen on this site and others touted how great the Ryzen was. They even compared it to the 7700K, if remembering correctly. How on earth can anyone come to any other conclusion after the reviews came out that gaming wise Ryzen face planted. Grant it the platform is new, the architecture is new. This allows for improvements. How much, who knows. AMD once again did not live up to their hype. The cpus trounce anything outside of gaming. But this site is gaming focused and as such Ryzen did not live up to the hype. They did make the same ballpark and even made it to the field though. Time is all that's left to see how this plays out. From all accounts, I spent $70 too much. Hoping the untapped gaming potential will deliver this time because the raw horsepower is there.

It's in the high-end and enthusiast segment where the true problem sits. For anything below that segment, Ryzen offers superb value/perf wise. I wish I could tell a different story on Ryzen 7, but that is the reality of it.

i saw a review with RX480 where RyZen got better fps than i7 7700K and other Intels at 1080p/1440p

Yes we can discuss a lot about the different gaming performances on those systems with the many different games / GPUs / resolutions / OSes / process-affinity settings producing many different results of which some are very equal, and some favor the single core strength of the 7700k. The moment we bring any other 8c/16t CPU from intel into the comparison is the moment where it gets real. If we talk about a "true problem" then we are isolating Ryzen 7 to being a gaming CPU solely designed to compete against the 7700K ... and implying gaming on Ryzen is "problematic", which it isn't. I mean, what's with the high-end sector of video encoding, high-end compute loads, high-end 3d rendering, etc. Yes Ryzen 7 is not the 144Hz 1080p (low-medium graphics preset) CPU #1 6900K isn't as well. So where's the problem? If you 99% of the time while sitting in front of your computer only play games in 1080p @120-140hz @low graphic settings and plan to do that for the next years and don't do any multithreaded stuff... then you can think about paying the same for the 7700k. In any other case... - if you game at 1440p or 4K or 1080p (Ultra settings), or use DSR/VSR to downscale 4K/1440p to 1080p native monitor res. - if you have dual monitors and run other stuff while gaming / working - if you do anything like video encoding, audio creation, streaming, compiling (coding), vector graphics, cpu powered 3d rendering (blender, 3dstudio/autodesk) - if you do virtualization or run a homeserver/htpc, webserver Then R 7 is ALWAYS the better choice over the 7700k specifically. Just as a 6900K or 6950K was the better choice before Ryzen was out (in case you had the spare change) Now you pay 900-1600$ depending on which i7 (8c or 10c) you buy. But only 330-500$ depending on which Ryzen you buy. Conclusion: Always get Ryzen over 6900K (if you are deciding between them) Get 7700K or Ryzen depending on the checklist points above. Pretty simple and self-explanatory. 🤓

Am no longer responding to mitzi76s inability to understand basic logic.

In fact just gonna report you for personal remarks after there has been a request by the owner for us all to stop. Which I have. Again what is wrong with your reading comprehension?

P.S Hilbert has said give it a rest. Anymore personal remarks and I might start to get pissed off or report u. I have dropped it so that's the end of it.

As if moderators aren't reading & monitoring this topic... Don't think your report is needed to sort out personal insults. You were one of the main involved, and now you ask for sanctions?

As if moderators aren't reading & monitoring this topic... Don't think your report is needed to sort out personal insults.

I'll do what I want and that's none of your business. They want it stopped so why continue? I honestly dont care!

I'll do what I want and that's none of your business. They want it stopped so why continue? I honestly dont care!

It's as much of my business as I chose to make it, on this open discussion platform. Why would you be able to comment on the issue and not me? What makes you priviledged? 🙂

It's as much of my business as I chose to make it, on this open discussion platform. Why would you be able to comment on the issue and not me? What makes you priviledged? 🙂

No actually if I want to make reports on people that's my business not yours. You can comment away, never said otherwise. Your're just trolling now. Trying to score cheap points. Yawn. p.s read back a few pages I know it's hard for some. Hilbert asked us to drop the personal remarks so I did but someone is still making personal remarks aimed at me. If you think I'll let somone try and crap on me you are very much mistaken. Actually if the mods look back they can see I directed a post @Hilbert and then it was flamed and attacked by several users here. So all I did was fight my corner and because they couldnt win the argument started throwing girly tantrums n getting personal. If you cant handle losing an argument and looking silly perhaps think before you post....:)

Game performance wise at higher resolutions these Ryzen CPUs (once clocked to 1800X speeds) just do not lag behind Intel at all like the 8350 types did. For anyone with with 1440 or 4K screens going for quality these chips provide everything desired. For now I sit in this group. However... those after 120Hz+ 1080p gaming there is currently a clear advantage in going Intel in a good proportion of games highlighted in HH's review, but also many of the ones he touched on (comparing to the 5960X) performed very well at 1080p. It will be very interesting to see if there really is a simple code update to fix the games currently lagging behind in 1080p. Definitely not unhappy with how things are sitting so far and could still get good enough to bring a no holds smile to my face :banana: