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coth:

Those are previous generation motherboards.
Only thing you gain on X570 over X470 is PCIe 4.0 (and a chipset fan).
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1.4v@4200Mhz Smmh That's a lot of heat!
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coth:

Those are previous generation motherboards.
Previous generation doesn't mean provide less performance or worse in everyday usage. Read reviews for yourself and compare.
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coth:

Those are previous generation motherboards.
And that's a problem because......? If you need PCI-Express 4.0, then buy x570. If you say it's too expensive, i'd like to know what you're comparing it to that also has PCI-Express 4.0 that somehow makes it expensive. Or rather, if it is too expensive, then you probably don't ACTUALLY need PCI-express 4.0. It's amazing because if AMD had made a x590 with PCI-Express 4.0, and an x570 and b450 were effectively just "rebrands" of the x470 and b450, you wouldn't have this issue, because they'd no longer be "previous-generations" since their named changed. But then you'd likely complain about the fact they rebranded a chipset.... So then what is it that a "new" generation motherboard actually would have on it, other then PCI-Express 4.0, that you'd need to much? So what's your issue then? Do you want something that's new with no benefit over the previous generation just so you can call it new? Are you that tied to intel?
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Mesab67:

Then again, Apple are all about profit. If they can secure a deal from AMD, particularly one that increases profit, then, maybes aye.
Apple can as well be reason why there are so few 3900X around.
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sverek:

Previous generation doesn't mean provide less performance or worse in everyday usage. Read reviews for yourself and compare.
It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers. And if thinking that way, then we can go with Z370 or H370 etc. Obviously previous generations are cheaper. Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
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Loophole35:

Only thing you gain on X570 over X470 is PCIe 4.0 (and a chipset fan).
A bit more modern set of controllers and longer support. At least 802.11ax Intel AX200 controller, wider usage of Realtek 1220 sound, USB SS10 Type E header. Sure, I can buy Intel AX200 on Ali for $17, but still.
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H83:

Very nice chip and for gaming it seems a better choice than the 3700x. The big question is how good is the 3600? I think Hilbert already hinted that the 3600 is a little gem but i could be wrong...
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coth:

It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers.
To paraphrase what you're saying "I want something distinctly better but it needs to have a similar price point to the worse outdated stuff". Do you not see the issue in that? You can't have it all - you either need to spend the money to get something better or get something that fits your budget. These products are priced the way they are because people will buy them. This is why Nvidia gets away with $1000+ gaming GPUs: doesn't matter if the price is crap if people still buy it anyway. It's a sucky reality but you can't realistically ask it to change. Also from what I heard, X570 boards are more expensive to manufacture.
coth:

A bit more modern set of controllers and longer support. At least 802.11ax Intel AX200 controller, wider usage of Realtek 1220 sound, USB SS10 Type E header. Sure, I can buy Intel AX200 on Ali for $17, but still.
Like you said, you can buy the wifi chipset yourself. It's best to buy it separately anyway, since then you can upgrade it or swap it out. Being able to pick and choose your parts or swap them out is half the reason for building your own PC. Unless an audio chipset is known to have issues, what difference does it make if you're sticking with integrated audio? On-board audio chipsets have hardly improved in 10 years. There's only a handful of minimal improvements here and there, and if you can tell the difference (and care), you're better off getting a discrete sound card or external DAC. Or just use SPDIF or HDMI, at which point the onboard audio is completely irrelevant. How often do you need a type E header? Why not just buy an adapter if it's that important to you? This reminds me of the complaint about computers not supporting type C, even though it's not hard or expensive to convert type A to type C.
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coth:

It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers. And if thinking that way, then we can go with Z370 or H370 etc. Obviously previous generations are cheaper. Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
No, X570 is enthusiast class - the B-series chipsets are mainstream. AMD's site makes this very clear - look it up: https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4 HEDT is an entirely separate category.
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So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
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ETAxDOA:

So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
Not much. X370 is supposedly worse at overclocking RAM (not sure how true that is), is slightly more power consuming at idle, and I think has worse XFR support. There's also StoreMI, but IMO that's useless (you can accomplish the same thing through software). If you already have an X370 board, I would keep it. But, I don't think you should buy a new X370 board with a Zen2 CPU.
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Thanks, think the XFR was the only attraction of upgrading to x470 when x470 was first released.... my memory is like a sieve
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ETAxDOA:

So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
ryzen 3k supporting bios's are unstable as all heck on x370 and 470 and this affects all processors. (currently).
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Astyanax:

ryzen 3k supporting bios's are unstable as all heck on x370 and 470 and this affects all processors.
Please for the love of all things sacred stop spreading miss leading info on this forum.
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coth:

Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
Sorry bud but you don't get to state what is enthusiast and what is not. Z390 has been stated is enthusiast, as well as x370 x470 and x570.
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I'm still seeing this whole Zen2 range of CPUs as a great line-up and can't wait to get my hands on the next Threadripper lineup. Those complaining about not being able to overclock I suppose need to get with the times. Don't get me wrong, I've been a tuner, enthusiast and overclocker for probably more years than some have been alive, (I / we) don't have to like it, but things change. For example, I believe a real sports car has a manual gear-shift - but these days all the sports cars I like (save maybe one), come with flappy paddle auto. They're faster, but often don't feel as engaging to drive. Another example, I'm having to get used to having no optical drive in my new case - I mean, seriously, so many cases dropping optical drive bays. Anyway, AMD are providing automatic overclocking... Maybe it's the way of the future...
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Loophole35:

That is X570. You claimed x370/X470 having the issue. Get off AMD threads you troll.
If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me. the B and X 300 and 400 series parts are also affected when on a 1.0.0.2 AGESA. Heres a B350 + 3600 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning_samsung_nvme_ssds_also_subject_to_whea/eu5yu23/ Heres a B450 + 3600 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning_samsung_nvme_ssds_also_subject_to_whea/eu5r6iz/ Heres a X370 + 3800X https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning_samsung_nvme_ssds_also_subject_to_whea/eu1t8d2/ x570's with 1.0.0.2 shipped are affected, even with 1xxx and 2xxx processors. This user updated their tomahawk with a beta bios that has agesa 1.0.0.3 and fixed the WHEA errors https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning_samsung_nvme_ssds_also_subject_to_whea/etuoilc/

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