Stay safe AMD.

TheDeeGee:

Stay safe AMD.

Yup 😀

TheDeeGee:

Stay safe AMD.

Yeah, and with their very "good" marketing campaign I'm surprised that they did not show a picture of their flagship card wrapped in a condom:p If it is the same guy that was in charge of the last series launch why he is not fired - AMD marketing department is a disaster.

got rekt, then trash talk, look like we are back to Vega era 😀

Here's my theory: Behind the scenes, AMD is targeting the 4080 in overall performance. This has backfired twice: First was when the 4080 12GB got downgraded, so, that means AMD only has the 16GB to compare to, which means they might have to bump clocks to be more competitive. Meanwhile, the 4080 16GB was a bit strange in that it overall consumed less power than advertised. This was probably a curveball to AMD, where the 4080's better-than-advertised performance-per-watt meant they could no longer reliably tout efficiency of RDNA3.

The 4090 is actually not near as bad as people think/thought it was going to be. The 600w power limit is not even needed to hit max clocks/voltage. The 3090 wanted quite a bit more power to reach max clocks without being power limited, and that was only attainable with one of the 1000w vbios'. They were still pretty limited even with the 520w KPE vbios.

ttnuagmada:

The 4090 is actually not near as bad as people think/thought it was going to be. The 600w power limit is not even needed to hit max clocks/voltage. The 3090 wanted quite a bit more power to reach max clocks without being power limited, and that was only attainable with one of the 1000w vbios'. They were still pretty limited even with the 520w KPE vbios.

The 4090 is bad only because it comes already overclocked so it can shine in reviews/benchmarks. If we dial down the power usage, then the card becomes very decent in that regard. Is the same thing with the new 13xxx or ryzen 5xxx series.

H83:

The 4090 is bad only because it comes already overclocked so it can shine in reviews/benchmarks. If we dial down the power usage, then the card becomes very decent in that regard. Is the same thing with the new 13xxx or ryzen 5xxx series.

They still have plenty of headroom. Stock boost clocks are around 2800mhz and most of them have another 200-300mhz left in them. These are no different than every single GPU or CPU made in the last several years in that you can always get better perf/watt with an undervolt.

barbacot:

Yeah, and with their very "good" marketing campaign I'm surprised that they did not show a picture of their flagship card wrapped in a condom:p If it is the same guy that was in charge of the last series launch why he is not fired - AMD marketing department is a disaster.

Seeing how Nvidia can make people pay 1200 dollars for an x080 card, and the flagship basically has as much use for a price upper limit as a Koenigsegg car, I'd say it doesn't matter what the AMD marketing department does or doesn't do. It won't change anything.

See Sam Naffzigger from AMD here. [youtube=8XBFpjM6EIY]

Because it won't be better at 4k. Now please performance numbers and prices.

Kaarme:

Seeing how Nvidia can make people pay 1200 dollars for an x080 card, and the flagship basically has as much use for a price upper limit as a Koenigsegg car, I'd say it doesn't matter what the AMD marketing department does or doesn't do. It won't change anything.

Can you show me who is buying the 4080s? https://www.pccasegear.com/lp/geforce-rtx-4080 https://www.umart.com.au/pc-parts/computer-parts/graphics-cards-gpu-610?mystock=1-7-6&filter_attr=156455.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 They are not moving stock here in Australia, the 4090s will be back on shelves starting Dec and I expect them to not move either, the enthusiast who did get the 4090 all have their 4090s that were the 100k worth worldwide. The 4000 series is going to be the shortest-selling card ever. Expect to see lower prices early 2023.

Meathelix1:

Can you show me who is buying the 4080s? https://www.pccasegear.com/lp/geforce-rtx-4080 https://www.umart.com.au/pc-parts/computer-parts/graphics-cards-gpu-610?mystock=1-7-6&filter_attr=156455.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 They are not moving stock here in Australia, the 4090s will be back on shelves starting Dec and I expect them to not move either, the enthusiast who did get the 4090 all have their 4090s that were the 100k worth worldwide. The 4000 series is going to be the shortest-selling card ever. Expect to see lower prices early 2023.

They will go down if AMD perf numbers are even remotely close to what they say. Right now AMD RX6 series out sell nvidia by big margin in EU. Just look at 6600/6700/6800XT prices.

kapu:

They will go down if AMD perf numbers are even remotely close to what they say. Right now AMD RX6 series out sell nvidia by big margin in EU. Just look at 6600/6700/6800XT prices.

AMD GPU prices don't matter. They produce like 10 GPUs in the first 3 months. Even if you want one, you can't buy one, and afterwards it's already old news. It's been like that for the past 3 or 4 generations.

kapu:

They will go down if AMD perf numbers are even remotely close to what they say. Right now AMD RX6 series out sell nvidia by big margin in EU. Just look at 6600/6700/6800XT prices.

But... but AMD drivers are awfully garbage and AMD's RT performances are terribly bad. AMD's Decoder-Encoder sucks, AMD doesn't have cool 3rd-Party tools like nVIDIA community has, and AMD doesn't offer as many driver features, as many useful gimmicks or as many graphic features as nVIDIA does. That's what they say when bringing up Advanced Micro Devices' graphic cards.

Nopa:

But... but AMD drivers are awfully garbage and AMD's RT performances are terribly bad. AMD's Decoder-Encoder sucks, AMD doesn't have cool 3rd-Party tools like nVIDIA community has, and AMD doesn't offer as many driver features, as many useful gimmicks or as many graphic features as nVIDIA does. That's what they say when bringing up Advanced Micro Devices' graphic cards.

I don't know . My model works goods 🙂

Meathelix1:

Can you show me who is buying the 4080s?

The thing is that they still sell as much as Nvidia (Jensen) expected them to sell. I'm fairly certain I remember reading about Nvidia reducing the wafer orders a long time ago already. They probably shifted it to the server products, which they want to sell to China as much as they can before the trade restrictions hit. From a business point of view it's already a success if the sales are as much as you expected, even if it doesn't sound good to tell the investors the revenue from any sector will practically crash compared to the last year. But that's how business is. Even if you were selling a cure for cancer, at some point the market wouldn't grow anymore.

Nopa:

But... but AMD drivers are awfully garbage and AMD's RT performances are terribly bad. AMD's Decoder-Encoder sucks, AMD doesn't have cool 3rd-Party tools like nVIDIA community has, and AMD doesn't offer as many driver features, as many useful gimmicks or as many graphic features as nVIDIA does. That's what they say when bringing up Advanced Micro Devices' graphic cards.

Yesterday I had a look at the sites of a couple of big stores here, and they have very, very few AMD graphics cards to offer. They do carry considerably more Nvidia 3000 models, although obviously not as much as a year ago. This is hardly anything new, but it's still kind of sad to see how it's not only the customers enforcing the 20% AMD, 80% Nvidia market shares, but the stores here are very much enforcing it as well by not even offering AMD anymore. It's even sadder when the net has been full of the "GPU prices crashing" news for months now. It ain't happening here, for sure, because the stores aren't selling anymore. That being said, I do understand the stores want to be left with the absolute minimum stock of old wares when the new gen is out.

Kaarme:

The thing is that they still sell as much as Nvidia (Jensen) expected them to sell. I'm fairly certain I remember reading about Nvidia reducing the wafer orders a long time ago already. They probably shifted it to the server products, which they want to sell to China as much as they can before the trade restrictions hit. From a business point of view it's already a success if the sales are as much as you expected, even if it doesn't sound good to tell the investors the revenue from any sector will practically crash compared to the last year. But that's how business is. Even if you were selling a cure for cancer, at some point the market wouldn't grow anymore. Yesterday I had a look at the sites of a couple of big stores here, and they have very, very few AMD graphics cards to offer. They do carry considerably more Nvidia 3000 models, although obviously not as much as a year ago. This is hardly anything new, but it's still kind of sad to see how it's not only the customers enforcing the 20% AMD, 80% Nvidia market shares, but the stores here are very much enforcing it as well by not even offering AMD anymore. It's even sadder when the net has been full of the "GPU prices crashing" news for months now. It ain't happening here, for sure, because the stores aren't selling anymore. That being said, I do understand the stores want to be left with the absolute minimum stock of old wares when the new gen is out.

I think 80% is a bit optimistic, the real figures maybe even less than 20% for AMD. The situation is almost like 87%-90% of dGPU market belongs to nVIDIA. Doubt this gen is gonna change much for AMD. I'm not sure if it's because of mindshares, favoritism, negative things associated with ATi/AMD since the 90s/2000s or just simply people's thoughts that AMD GPUs will never be as good as nVIDIA's in both Hardware & Software that motivate them to keep staying/sticking with nVIDIA forever and never consider alternatives no matter how low AMD GPU prices are or how much Radeon drivers have improved. Just GPU = nVIDIA tribal belief/mentality.

AMD will have a hard time this gen, regardless of Raster performance. People who drop serious cash on a GPU will expect all the bells and whistles. Even if they never get to use them.

Nopa:

But... but AMD drivers are awfully garbage and AMD's RT performances are terribly bad. AMD's Decoder-Encoder sucks, AMD doesn't have cool 3rd-Party tools like nVIDIA community has, and AMD doesn't offer as many driver features, as many useful gimmicks or as many graphic features as nVIDIA does.

To be fair these two points are at least somewhat valid. RT performance is slightly worse, but the bigger problem is that far more titles implement DLSS compared to FSR. This hurts AMD, and is starting to feel a bit like the old Gameworks debacle.