AMD Radeon VII 16 GB review (updated)

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#5636630
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Undying:

Interesting card. Considering its a Vega56 7nm this performance uplift is amazing. I im sure AMD will push 64cu 7nm chip later this year, maybe even before Navi hits.
Are you serious? no way. they are losing money on this product....
#5636636
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Ah it's good to have competition, so that you can know exactly how much to overprice something after they have already done it. 😀 [youtube=u5YJsMaT_AE]
#5636638
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A very nice card with a "crappy" cooler, curious to see this card with a good custom cooler. But most of all, this card is too expensive just like the 2080 and 2080Ti... The prices of high end cards are simply ridiculous! Great review as always Hilbert!
#5636639
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Thanks H, nice review. Seems if its one thing AMD is consistent at, is its inconsistency in performance. Finally an AMD ref cooled card that is not hot and loud, it is now cool and loud. Guess some tinkering with fan speeds is in order. I think this card will sell well, even at its price. For those with strong faith in AMDs fine wine driver development, it'll be a buy for sure.
#5636643
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H83:

A very nice card with a "crappy" cooler, curious to see this card with a good custom cooler. But most of all, this card id too expensive just like the 2080 and 2080Ti... The prices of high end cards are simply ridiculous! Great review as always Hilbert!
wonder how it would perform with good thermal paste over that film they used.
#5636644
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Definitely overpriced, and I guess those missing Vega features from Vega still don't work. Glad to see some competitive gains on the 7 nm node.
#5636646
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^ 16 GB HBM2 are very expensive,thats why this card is somehow 'overpriced'. In 4K perform well,but need better optimised drivers.
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Loophole35:

wonder how it would perform with good thermal paste over that film they used.
Gn tried it - the contact area on the die isn't even so the results were mixed.
#5636649
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Considering how cool this GPU operates under load, seems like the fan speeds could be dropped a bit. In addition to that, lower the voltage while maintaining the clock speed and I'm sure you could save up to 50W while making it even quieter (where some of that saved wattage would be the reduced fan speed). Anyway, I'm not interested in getting this, but it leaves me hopeful about Navi.
Loophole35:

The light of hope is there but the drivers need to mature. (I'm still dumbfounded the AMD driver team can still launch a GCN based card with under-performing drivers). The bad part is it spends a lot of time trading blows with a card that consumes 120W less power and the noise level at load.... I hope that's just a faulty fan and they aren't all that loud. Temps look great though (I would hope so with the sound produced).
metagamer:

The performance seems all over the place. Could be the drivers. Overall though, it loses to the 2080 more often than not and costs the same. It's loud and consumes more power than the 2080ti. Pretty poor from AMD, should be cheaper.
I too think there are driver issues. The results are way too inconsistent. I understand that some games are Nvidia optimized but the RVII is jumping between multiple performance tiers. EDIT: Just checked out Linux benchmarks (where the AMD drivers are completely different from the Windows ones, but Nvidia drivers are mostly the same). Seems to have much more consistent performance there, where I'd say on average it's about the same as the 2080. Interestingly, the performance-per-watt isn't really a whole lot different than the 2080, at least in tests where their level of performance was similar.
#5636651
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This card fared much better than I expected. Not bad for a card that almost wasn't until Nvidia increased prices so much so on the RTX 2080 it allowed them to put this out as a prosumer card. I bet AMD has pretty slim margins on these cards as that 16GB of HBM2 has to be pretty pricey along with the 331mm2 chip.
#5636652
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The performance varied so much that it's impossible to avoid thinking the driver support is poor at the moment. If it's not that, then there's something wrong about the card.
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So it's a poor version of the Instinct with unimproved and horrible fan cooling.
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Loophole35:

wonder how it would perform with good thermal paste over that film they used.
Forgot to mention that, but the last thing of the review I do is to dissect the card for the component analysis. Obviously after finishing that I have removed the thermal pad and replaced it with the new NT-H2 thermal paste from Noctua. That did get the tempo down by 2 degrees, but it had no effect on acoustics.
#5636659
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Some games like gta5 will never show great performance on amd vs NVIDIA. Great review as always makes me hopeful of Navi. Surely making mi50 into gaming card put the price so high simply considering the hbm that supposedly costs 300€ to make. With 8gb it could have been around 100€ less that card. Also considering all they did was up the clocks and make it 7nm while having less cus then 64 the performance uplift is great.
#5636661
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Nice card but like the 2070 and 2080 overpriced. As a 1070 owner i'll wait next gen to upgrade ever though the 1070 struggles to push my 2k 144Hz monitor to its limit. Still nice to see the performance AMD was able to achieve using 7nm on old architecture. Can't wait to see how well Navi will perform and more importantly how much the Ryzen 2 will be an upgrade over my 1080x cause i'll probably be looking to upgrade it somewhere in 2020. I think 2019 will be a fun year. Hope so anyway last year was boring as hell.
HardwareCaps:

really concerning..... 300 watts at 7nm is a big issue for AMD and these noise levels..... I think this card is decent but I'd still go with RTX 2080.
I'd buy neither personally. Not a fan of the waiting game but i feel like if you don't have the money for a 2080Ti you should probably wait the end of the year to upgrade. I think nVidia will be looking to redeem themselves with their next product and the VII performances are good enough to be excited about Navi. That's my 2 cents anyway 😉
#5636662
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Undying:

@Hilbert Hagedoorn RE2 remake and upcoming Anthem/Metro games will be nice include instead of some older ones on the list there. 😉
I agree. Probably time to retire GTA 5.
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ETH mining performance is reported to be 90mh/s out of the box.
#5636666
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Turanis:

Noissy because the Gpu have bad contact with copper base. Nice review,Mr.Hilbert.After 6 months of better drivers need to be tested again,somehow. 🙂
It's the same Vega more or less. Miracle gains will not happen.
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